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Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by seriousquestion »

jmcgough wrote: post #111
_-david-_ wrote: post #98

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The measles vaccine has been around for decades. There are plenty of long term studies on the efficacy and saftey. How many long term studies have there been on any of the covid vaccines?

Has there ever been serious long-term side effects caused by vaccines? Yes, a tiny number of people have had serious short-term complications from them, but I'll take five deaths over 3,000 deaths a day. mRNA vaccines have been well studied - from a scientific standpoint it's hard to imagine how it even could cause problems.

Studied or researched is not that reassuring given the replication crisis. There's a big difference between academia and real world use.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by lmilcin »

mrhands69 wrote: post #137
lmilcin wrote: post #31

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> It’s incredible that we even have to state that. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth, full stop. How is that bad? When you go to a car dealer, you know he has an incentive to sell to you. Is it bad? No, it just is . It doesn't mean you stop listening to him. You just filter the information to get what you need to make up your own decision. If you distrust the dealer you can go to another dealer but you can also sti…

You can distrust a car dealer and society will applaud you for doing what's right. If you say you're losing trust in something like an emergency use vaccination, then society will say you're a death cultist.

I wish anti-vaxxers stopped trying to insert themselves into every discussion. It is tiring.

We are talking about procurement of new vaccines and whether this additional shot is actually helping or whether this is due to the fact that Pfizer is going to benefit from this.

What we are not talking about is whether to vaccinate. The case on this is closed and all governments are working towards getting their populations vaccinated because without this they know it would be an either apocalyptic event or forever-dragging crippling restrictions.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by ScoobleDoodle »

mrtesthah wrote: post #121
ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #90

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This vaccine is still unapproved, meaning it's being used experimentally at this point. It has not been approved nor completed normal testing trials. Otherwise it wouldn't have had to receive emergency use authorization. > An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVI…

> It has not been approved nor completed normal testing trials. Otherwise it wouldn't have had to receive emergency use authorization. That's false. The mere fact that a vaccine is EUA does not mean that it hasn't been tested. The vaccines available under EUA today have gone through exactly the same testing phases as fully FDA-approved ones. The only difference is that the phases were overlapping instead of performed…

I did not say it had no testing at all. It has gone through short term testing. But it has insufficient testing to pass the standard hurdles and thus could only be used with the Emergency Use Authorization. Which carries with it the risks of consequences being unknown. As in this case, the long term consequences. And that’s where the category of experimental unknown results lays and how the Geneva Convention on human rights applies: not being allowed to force this vaccine on people through force or coercion.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by mrhands69 »

lmilcin wrote: post #182
mrhands69 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can distrust a car dealer and society will applaud you for doing what's right. If you say you're losing trust in something like an emergency use vaccination, then society will say you're a death cultist.

I wish anti-vaxxers stopped trying to insert themselves into every discussion. It is tiring. We are talking about procurement of new vaccines and whether this additional shot is actually helping or whether this is due to the fact that Pfizer is going to benefit from this. What we are not talking about is whether to vaccinate. The case on this is closed and all governments are working towards getting their populations…

I'm not anti-vax. My entire family has all their vaccinations. I'm responding to OP of this thread. I think it's a valid observation.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by ryathal »

newacct583 wrote: post #26
Panther34543 wrote: post #11

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2]. I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfort…

You're genuinely more uncomfortable with the idea of unfair liability protection than you are with the persistence of a pandemic that has already taken millions of lives? I mean, I think it's possible to agree that maybe the liability waiver is too broad (or that Pfizer's net revenue is too high) and... still view this as the most important single medicine released over the past few decades. I mean, come on. Literall…

Persistence of this pandemic is FUD. If you get vaccinated it's over. Covid was never going to be eradicated, at best it will fade into the endemic background as a weird cold/flu. In countries with on demand access to the vaccines, the pandemic is over.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by superkuh »

beebmam wrote: post #32
standardUser wrote: post #20

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It is not obvious we need booster vaccinations. There's simply not enough data yet to call this "obvious". Even "likely" is a stretch. Time will tell how long effective immunity lasts, but we absolutely do not know that number yet. EDIT: To be fair, it is at least likely that high-risk individuals may need boosters. Israel is already distributing them. But the idea that we will need an annual COVID shot, or that most…

That's correct, so far. It appears that humans who have been vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine still have a strong immune response to Delta variant. In fact, far better of an immune response than people who were infected with a previous variant. Source is MedCram, easily the best source of medical information on YouTube, specifically at 7:05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWGh19yTXw

I am not in any way saying the intramuscular do not protect the internal body tissues against variants. I am saying that it's important to protect against mucosa infection too to prevent spread and that requires intranasal vaccination.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by beebmam »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #95
beebmam wrote: post #76

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If I'm forced to work in an office, and some of my colleagues don't want to get vaccinated or tested regularly, I WANT them to get fired. It is a workplace safety issue for everyone forced to work in an enclosed area.

> If I'm forced I agree with your sentiment, but it is not your coworkers who decided that now it's time to force everyone back into the office.

I totally agree. It's supremely messed up that companies are trying to force workers back into the office.

The safest approach, beyond even vaccination, is to physically distance by simply not being around each other. It is not possible to spread this virus when people aren't around each other!

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by mrtesthah »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #183
mrtesthah wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has not been approved nor completed normal testing trials. Otherwise it wouldn't have had to receive emergency use authorization. That's false. The mere fact that a vaccine is EUA does not mean that it hasn't been tested. The vaccines available under EUA today have gone through exactly the same testing phases as fully FDA-approved ones. The only difference is that the phases were overlapping instead of performed…

I did not say it had no testing at all. It has gone through short term testing. But it has insufficient testing to pass the standard hurdles and thus could only be used with the Emergency Use Authorization. Which carries with it the risks of consequences being unknown. As in this case, the long term consequences. And that’s where the category of experimental unknown results lays and how the Geneva Convention on human…

The vaccine has now been administered to more people than any other medication in the history of humanity, with more data points collected than any other medication. There's no way that your claim that it hasn't been sufficiently tested stands up here, at all. It's a transparent lie.

And on the topic of ethics, we have more than enough data on the rate of bodily damage and death caused by the covid virus to make vaccines available to the public as soon as practically possible. Any public policy of holding back vaccines for years of small-scale testing in the face of such mass death would be tantamount to genocidal negligence.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by landemva »

Someone1234 wrote: post #71
Panther34543 wrote: post #11

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2]. I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfort…

> B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. I feel like (B) is true, but framed in such a way to get a specific [negative] reaction. People hurt by any COVID-19 vaccine are still entitled to compensation for that injury. Essentially the US Government provides a liability shield, wherein the damages/liability is transferred to…

I was surprised to learn they took covid vaccine injuries out of the typical and long-standing compensation program.

It apparently is using an odd countermeasure payment program, which is not approving any claims. https://yourworlddaily.blogspot.com/2021/07/covid-19-vaccine...

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by landemva »

beebmam wrote: post #187
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I'm forced I agree with your sentiment, but it is not your coworkers who decided that now it's time to force everyone back into the office.

I totally agree. It's supremely messed up that companies are trying to force workers back into the office. The safest approach, beyond even vaccination, is to physically distance by simply not being around each other. It is not possible to spread this virus when people aren't around each other!

"It is not possible to spread this virus when people aren't around each other!"

Except that it is in the cat populations worldwide. We dont have to like this fact, but ignoring it leads to safetyism that doesn't work. Maybe when we get the cat population to 70% vaccination rate we will be safe.

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