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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by briefcomment »

paxys wrote: post #77
nixpulvis wrote: post #35

It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…

Is this really pushing the envelope though? Routine drug testing by employers, for example, has been considered totally acceptable by society for decades now. I'd consider a one-time proof of vaccination against a deadly pandemic to be far less intrusive than that.

Having to put something in your body is different than most requirements. Only thing that's close is childhood vaccination I guess.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by 6f8986c3 »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16
rantwasp wrote: post #2

oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

Hey there, fashy boi.

Nazi propagandists created documentaries showing Jewish, Romani, and other "undesirable" communities as "disease-ridden". It is easier to convince normal people to betray "undesirables" when "normal people" believe they are protecting both their own health, as well as the health of their communities.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#93

Post by cma »

oldcigarette wrote: post #90

I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…

> this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this.

I don't think they should care if it is work from home (except that it potentially raises insurance premiums for everyone if they come down with some kind of chronic stuff from getting covid or being intubated or have to pay out company life insurance policies), but in the office there is is an obvious interest in having people vaccinated, just like college dorm rooms required even before covid.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by raverbashing »

imwillofficial wrote: post #64
raverbashing wrote: post #31

I can't blame Google for not wanting disease spreaders in their campus. It's their prerogative as a private company. Remains to be seen how companies that won't enforce this will perform. In my guess, poorly

As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

Vaccines not cutting transmission in 100% are still a poor reason to not have everyone vaccinated.

Anti-vaxxers pretend they worry about the ones who can't get vaccinated when they're actually who makes things unsafer for them

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#95

Post by b0sk »

oldcigarette wrote: post #90

I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…

Vaccination is not a "this is a cultural decision at the society level". It has saved millions and millions of lives. Maybe change your employer if you are so pissed at them?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by standardUser »

version_five wrote: post #72
standardUser wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccination rate for vericella (Chickenpox) is over 90%, so our society has herd immunity and cases are rare. Same with measles, mumps, diphtheria and polio. I don't know the vaccination for meningitis, but cases are rare and mostly in children not old enough to be vaccinated. If an officemate wanted to be a free rider on one of those they could, and it would be very unlikely any harm would come from it. If we ha…

I don't buy it, even if there was 90% vaccination, which I think we can get to, people want to see obedience. This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health, especially at companies like google. If broad vaccination was the goal like for other apolitical diseases, there are lots of measures google could support to get us there that don't involve invasive tracking of health information. Let's try to…

"This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health"

No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable disease form killing another 20,000 or 30,000 Americans.

Full stop.

Also, I find it baffling you think we can get to a 90% vaccination rate given the politicization of this vaccine.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#97

Post by version_five »

paxys wrote: post #77
nixpulvis wrote: post #35

It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…

Is this really pushing the envelope though? Routine drug testing by employers, for example, has been considered totally acceptable by society for decades now. I'd consider a one-time proof of vaccination against a deadly pandemic to be far less intrusive than that.

Is routine drug testing universally considered acceptable? If I'm going to be a pilot, maybe. For a developer job, I would never consider one that asked for a drug test (I don't use drugs just to be clear, my objection is to a company having any say in what people do on their own time). People complain about having to do a coding test during the interview process, but somehow it's ok to verify that you don't smoke pot on the weekends?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#98

Post by oldcigarette »

cma wrote: post #93
oldcigarette wrote: post #90

I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…

> this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. I don't think they should care if it is work from home (except that it potentially raises insurance premiums for everyone if they come down with some kind of chronic stuff from getting covid or being intubated or have to pay out company life insurance policies), but in the office there is is an obvious interest…

Yeah I totally get that there is an interest - I disagree with whether it's a big enough interest at the employer level to justify a requirement. It feels more like pandering/posturing to me. The trade off isn't something that's easily weighed and I doubt we could ever reach consensus (it's pretty much a classic divisive political issue) but in those cases I err on the side of freedom and am sort of fed up with Americans giving up their freedoms.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by oldcigarette »

b0sk wrote: post #95
oldcigarette wrote: post #90

I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…

Vaccination is not a "this is a cultural decision at the society level". It has saved millions and millions of lives. Maybe change your employer if you are so pissed at them?

Is there a coherent thought here? I don't disagree the vaccine has saved lives or even that you shouldn't get it. I can enjoy my job and what I do and disapprove of decisions made by leadership at the same time. It's easily the best place and people I've ever worked with.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by belltaco »

ds206 wrote: post #78
Spooky23 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccination doesn’t mean you cannot be infected, and cannot spread it once infected. It lowers the chances of infection and presentation of symptoms. So when your unvaccinated coworker exercises his selfish right to be stupid, you’re putting others at risk. The difference here is that your exposing your coworkers children and others who cannot be vaccinated to infection. We socially tolerate people like this who choo…

What's the point of a right if it can't be exercised?

The company also has the right to fire you.
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