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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by SlowBall »

shrubble wrote: post #56

From the first point of the Nuremberg Code: 'The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have suff…

And your point is? No one is strapping down Google employees to a chair to inject them with a vaccine.

They are free not to take it if they chose to do so, and accept the consequences of their actions like any adult would.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by version_five »

standardUser wrote: post #57
mbeattie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this apply to the flu, varicella, meningitis, etc as well?

The vaccination rate for vericella (Chickenpox) is over 90%, so our society has herd immunity and cases are rare. Same with measles, mumps, diphtheria and polio. I don't know the vaccination for meningitis, but cases are rare and mostly in children not old enough to be vaccinated. If an officemate wanted to be a free rider on one of those they could, and it would be very unlikely any harm would come from it. If we ha…

I don't buy it, even if there was 90% vaccination, which I think we can get to, people want to see obedience. This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health, especially at companies like google. If broad vaccination was the goal like for other apolitical diseases, there are lots of measures google could support to get us there that don't involve invasive tracking of health information. Let's try to increase vaccine uptake if that's really the goal.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by imwillofficial »

throwaway9980 wrote: post #50
epicureanideal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?

The same way that my friend who is vaccinated was infected by his unvaccinated wife. Close quarters with an infected person is going to increase risk for some one who is vaccinated. The Pfizer vaccine is 38% effective [1] at preventing infection on average . It’s obvious that spending 8 hours next to someone who is actively infectious will reduce that efficacy rate. [1] for the Delta variant, which at this point is w…

What about the vaccinated spreading the disease?

https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/white-house-aide-nancy-pelosi-...

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by howaboutnope »

TeeMassive wrote: post #18
standardUser wrote: post #3

To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.

"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.

> They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness.

-- John Milton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiCeqySVhCE&t=1255s

Intellectuals focusing on how the unwashed masses are the reason we can't have nice things would do well to take a long, hard look at themselves and those they serve.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by Animats »

jimmydorry wrote: post #40
penny4yourthot wrote: post #26

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I'm trying to think how this could be even close to the same situation. I realize it's hard to believe I'm not being snarky, but I'm legitimately asking. How is this similar to segregation based on skin color?

Not the GP, but I'm imagining that they meant that in the same way the 'War on Drugs' was not discrimination based on skin color, it had a disproportinate impact on African-American communities (which for all accounts was by design). Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations and lower rates of vaccination. Just because something does not claim to discriminate by race, does not make it true. M…

Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations

Early on, maybe. Not now.

Find the poorest zip code in Alabama, 35203, which is in Birmingham. Look it up in Vaccines.gov. Nearest vaccination locations:

Publix Supermarket, 0.79 miles, in stock.

UAB Hospital, 1.03 miles, in stock.

Walgreens, 1.62 miles. CVS, 1.65 and 1.74 miles.

Legion Field vaccination clinic, 1.99 miles.

There are a dozen more within 5 miles.

That's a populated area. If you look for Cotopia, AL, a small remote town in the poorest county in Alabama, where the post office closed in 1986, it's not quite as easy. You have to go 9 miles, to the nearest WalMart (#10-0731).

If you can make it to a WalMart, a CVS, or a Walgreens, you can get vaccinated.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by daenz »

tintor wrote: post #47
d4mi3n wrote: post #24

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I’m all for getting everyone vaccinated as well, but I’d be really concerned about the precedent this sets. The reasons governments are reluctant to do this is they it sets a precedent for them to dictate what a person can do with their bodies. Saying someone must have an injection, regardless of how well intentioned it is, requires you to be able to dictate what goes into their body. Pretty much the same set of powe…

Unclear how different is this from getting vaccinated as a child, giving blood sample for lab test as a child, and having your tooth removed as a child.

>as a child

The parents consent for the child, because a child cannot give consent. As adults, only we can give consent for our bodies. As children, consent is delegated to the parents.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by paxys »

nixpulvis wrote: post #35

It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…

Is this really pushing the envelope though? Routine drug testing by employers, for example, has been considered totally acceptable by society for decades now. I'd consider a one-time proof of vaccination against a deadly pandemic to be far less intrusive than that.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ds206 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #62
epicureanideal wrote: post #7

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But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?

Vaccination doesn’t mean you cannot be infected, and cannot spread it once infected. It lowers the chances of infection and presentation of symptoms. So when your unvaccinated coworker exercises his selfish right to be stupid, you’re putting others at risk. The difference here is that your exposing your coworkers children and others who cannot be vaccinated to infection. We socially tolerate people like this who choo…

What's the point of a right if it can't be exercised?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by throwaway199998 »

paxys wrote: post #39
epicureanideal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?

- Vaccines aren't 100% efficient - Lots of people cannot get vaccinated due to medical reasons

So what's sufficient for worthless imbeciles like yourself, 99.99%? Santa Clara county is at over 80% already.

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Post by mrfusion »

rantwasp wrote: post #48
DrBenCarson wrote: post #16

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Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

i’m with you there. what really concerns me is that people that vaccinated themselves and people who don’t want the vaccine seem to live in completely different worlds. we are a post truth society. logic and reason have been dismissed and sent to the basement. I laughed hard when I saw Idiocracy first - now I no longer find it funny. I wonder why.

You’re pretty certain you know the real truth. Must be nice.
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