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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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> We will have a process for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical or other reasons What might "other reasons" be?

Religious most likely

I respect more the position of an individual saying he doesn't want to get the vaccine because of his personal convictions than because his religions tells him so (although, to be clear, I think both are stupid positions).

Hopefully Google will only allow exemptions based on health issues.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#62
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly -- people are still free to not get vaccinated, but they're not free to go to aggregate settings where they might infect everyone there, which seems like a reasonable compromise. It's the same approach as with antivax parents -- don't want your kids vaccinated? Then you'll need to homeschool them.

But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?

Vaccination doesn’t mean you cannot be infected, and cannot spread it once infected. It lowers the chances of infection and presentation of symptoms.

So when your unvaccinated coworker exercises his selfish right to be stupid, you’re putting others at risk. The difference here is that your exposing your coworkers children and others who cannot be vaccinated to infection.

We socially tolerate people like this who choose to infect an entire office or daycare with rhinovirus, flu or the cold, because the impact is generally lower. COVID is different, and frankly, people don’t want to be around unvaccinated people just as they avoid people who display bad judgement in other ways.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#64

I can't blame Google for not wanting disease spreaders in their campus. It's their prerogative as a private company. Remains to be seen how companies that won't enforce this will perform. In my guess, poorly

As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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post #59
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oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Doubtful. Some people might make a little bit of noise, but how many are willing to give up a Google salary to fight for the anti-vax cause?

I have nearly died twice in my life as a physical reaction to a vaccination and am being advised by my physician not to take these yet.

I am now in the position of choosing between a Google-sized salary and whatever risks are associated with these vaccines. This isn't a decision being made lightly.

I'm not anti-vax, I'm just pro-me. That 20 per 100K could be you.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubtful. Some people might make a little bit of noise, but how many are willing to give up a Google salary to fight for the anti-vax cause?

I have nearly died twice in my life as a physical reaction to a vaccination and am being advised by my physician not to take these yet. I am now in the position of choosing between a Google-sized salary and whatever risks are associated with these vaccines. This isn't a decision being made lightly. I'm not anti-vax, I'm just pro-me. That 20 per 100K could be you.

If you read the article you will see that they are making an exception for medical reasons.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#67
post #2

oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

Hahaha this cannot be a real comment

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#68
post #52

One angle that isn't being discussed – having vaccinated employees greatly reduces healthcare costs for the company and its insurance provider. I'm sure they would love to enforce vaccinations, annual checkups, healthy diet, exercise, no smoking etc. among employees as a condition for providing insurance or employment if there wasn't a social pushback for doing so.

Isn't it simpler than that? Fewer employees taking unnecessary extended sick leave, which endangers deadlines and complicates project planning.

I would be pissed if I need to upend a release if some unvaccinated idiot won himself a trip to the ICU.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#69
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have nearly died twice in my life as a physical reaction to a vaccination and am being advised by my physician not to take these yet. I am now in the position of choosing between a Google-sized salary and whatever risks are associated with these vaccines. This isn't a decision being made lightly. I'm not anti-vax, I'm just pro-me. That 20 per 100K could be you.

If you read the article you will see that they are making an exception for medical reasons.

Not my company. At my company, I have to be back in an office and vaccinated.

At my company it's 100% a political signaling move.

Also New York State stopped recognizing religious & medical exemptions for vaccinations for school attendance over a decade ago. Companies based out of here are basing their decisions around this policy.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#70
post #52

One angle that isn't being discussed – having vaccinated employees greatly reduces healthcare costs for the company and its insurance provider. I'm sure they would love to enforce vaccinations, annual checkups, healthy diet, exercise, no smoking etc. among employees as a condition for providing insurance or employment if there wasn't a social pushback for doing so.

Many employers do try to incentivize this - https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/hr-topics/benefits/Do... - but making things mandatory is likely not worth the impact on recruiting/retention outside of a global pandemic.
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