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Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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Anyone here actually using EC2-classic? If so, what has been the reason for not upgrading?

Six months ago I left the following comment about this.

> I miss EC2 Classic :/. It always feels like the entire world of VPCs must have come from the armies of network engineers who felt like if the world didn't support all of the complexity they had designed to fix a problem EC2 no longer had--the tyranny of cables and hubs and devices acting as routers--that maybe they would be out of a job or something, and so rather than design hierarchical security groups Amazon just brought back in every feature of network administration I had been happily prepared to never have to think about ever[] again :(.

There were some responses:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25988915

Honestly and likely overly-frankly, I have absolutely nothing positive to say about VPC or any of the engineers who worked on or with it: it seems like it is uninspired and creates complexity out of whole cloth with absolutely no benefits I have ever heard of to redeem its existence. For a long time, instances could not have multiple security groups, which limited the mechanism... but that was fixed long ago; security groups should simply have been made hierarchical instead of forcing everyone to think about network layout and address space limitations as part of manually laid-out networking in what should be a purely cloud resource capable of infinite extension... all of that networking equipment and subnet numbering exists in the real world to solve problems virtual hardware does not and should not have. EC2 Classic was "fun" to work with and yet had no limits... VPC is "work" and offers nothing in return.

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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The thing has been that historically even though Amazon would "depreciate" a service they kept it running and supported. "Amazon SimpleDB (N. Virginia) Service is operating normally" is their current status page, but their marketing materials doesn't show any SDB stuff. So if you had some old workload ticking over - you could just leave it usually. I actually used SimpleDB in a light use case wildly past the point at…

FYI, "depreciate" != "deprecate" — I also used to think it was the former once upon a time :)

Glad there’s someone else pedantic here so I don’t have to do it…

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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Yes indeed!

you beat me to submitting the ec2 classic post. but only fitting that it come from you :)

You will be happy to know that I used Dendron to manage my TODO list that included an entry for writing this blog post!

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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post #38

Anyone here actually using EC2-classic? If so, what has been the reason for not upgrading?

A company where I used to work still had those as of early 2020. The reason was technical debt, system being treated as a "black box" since the people who built it left many years ago, etc.

In addition, that product didn't exactly make big bucks for the company so there was not much incentive to improve things.

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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post #38

Anyone here actually using EC2-classic? If so, what has been the reason for not upgrading?

Hi, we have some customers left running things on our EC2 classic shard at Heroku. Mostly related to having dependence on customers doing things to migrate them cleanly.

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing has been that historically even though Amazon would "depreciate" a service they kept it running and supported. "Amazon SimpleDB (N. Virginia) Service is operating normally" is their current status page, but their marketing materials doesn't show any SDB stuff. So if you had some old workload ticking over - you could just leave it usually. I actually used SimpleDB in a light use case wildly past the point at…

FYI, "depreciate" != "deprecate" — I also used to think it was the former once upon a time :)

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Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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You’re generally right but it’s definitely not a hard rule. Amazon/AWS has deprecated and then put to the grave multiple payment services. I made that same comment when SimpleDB was deprecated and someone said the same thing. More recently, torrent support in S3 is being killed off with little notice.

SimpleDB is still supported though. You can still make new SimpleDB domains. Thats part of what people love about AWS compared to Google Cloud. Google is quick to kill off services it finds no longer convenient for it to run. AWS has historically gone out of its way to keep old services running even as it releases new, better alternatives.

Any examples?

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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Hijaking this to say I hate VPC. I hate VPC. Applying 1990s NATting to next gen cloud service? Gotta give the greybeards something to do. The purpose of NATting is to deal with limited IP addresses, a problem that has been solved for a long time now. AWS makes me create a VPC, but I certainly don't set up some central-point-of-failure NAT or pay AWS to do it.

Except you don't need NAT. You don't even have to get external ipv4. Use ipv6 for external ip and internet access. Think of it as classic with customizable internal network. VPC is a superset of classic.

Re: Amazon EC2-Classic Is Retiring

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Holy crap - is this one of the first actual depreciation and get off service things AWS has done? Kind of crazy honestly? They were kind of famous for NOT doing this sort of thing - at all. GCP just announced enterprise API's I see with some (pretty vague) promises about longevity.

EC2 Classic was essentially deprecated back in 2013, whether it was said as such at the time or not. 8+ years is an incredibly long sunset period, especially compared to AWS’s competitors.
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