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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tablespoon »

amrcnimgrnt wrote: post #298
tablespoon wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Who are the unvaccinated hurting, exactly?" My kids, who are too young to be vaccinated. I don't appreciate you being blase about their health. My father, who is quite possibly immunocompromised, and may not have acquired a strong immunity from his vaccine.

I asked honestly, and seriously. I want to be taught, explained to. Not given lip. I take (strong) exception to be characterized as "blase". My kids aren't eligible for vaccination either. I can assure you Im not "blase" about their health. You might want to look at the actual statistics of the harm of COVID for under 12. If that frightens you, that's fine, but then I would encourage you to look at other daily behavi…

>> "Who are the unvaccinated hurting, exactly?"

> You might want to look at the actual statistics of the harm of COVID for under 12. If that frightens you, that's fine, but then I would encourage you to look at other daily behaviors and their risks.

It doesn't matter what the statistics are, it's a risk they're exposed to because of the unvaccinated, anti-maskers, and people looking for every fucking excuse they can think of to avoid addressing this infectious disease.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by roberttod »

merlincorey wrote: post #309
roberttod wrote: post #107

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Just finished listening to a great podcast that touches on the safety and FDA emergency approval, see https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-... . Some key points i) we have more data on these vaccines than any other in history ii) though we don't have long term data, there has never in the history of vaccines been side effects that wouldn't be detectable at this stage iii) the FDA is really drag…

Just because you heard it in a podcast, doesn't make it true. Disclaimer: I'm not saying vaccines are bad or not to take them, I'm saying it's wrong to assume there are no risks. > there has never in the history of vaccines been side effects that wouldn't be detectable at this stage In Europe several years after the H1N1 Pandemic, it was found that people who had received the vaccine for it were contracting narcoleps…

> Just because you heard it in a podcast, doesn't make it true.

Sure - that's true of any source though, including those links you just posted. I included the podcast link because it was informative and the experts are trustworthy, whether you agree with that is up to you.

You're completely right about there being risk albeit small - but it's important to weigh up the risk on both sides which is why I think FDA emergency approval is important.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by [deleted] »

giarc wrote: post #61
xxxtentachyon wrote: post #54

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Yeah, and on the demand side, I have a hunch that a company that implicitly or explicitly uses their lack of a vaccine requirement as a recruiting pitch would have a hard time recruiting a large subset of engineers.

The venn diagram of unvaxxed, exceptional engineers, willing to move to a new company is probably very, very small.

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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tablespoon »

tantalor wrote: post #339
roamerz wrote: post #92

The fact that these mandates ignore the fact that past infection also provides immunity is frustrating and makes me question what is behind the mandates themselves. A valid test showing the antibodies should be allowed in place of an immunization. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting...

Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it! Edit: If you did have chickenpox, CDC says you don't need the vaccine. > CDC recommends two doses of chickenpox vaccine for children, adolescents, and adults who have never had chickenpox and were never vaccinated . https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html

> Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it!

Chicken pox is a different disease. It's not the same as COVID-19.

There are a lot of questions around natural COVID-19 immunity that people who want to rely on it need to answer if they don't want to get vaccinated (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27987103). Then there's the question of why go through so much trouble to avoid something that's easy, cheap, and far more certain.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tablespoon »

bruceb wrote: post #41

The vaccines are safe and you will be fired for not taking it...also if something happens, you can't sue the vaccine makers.

> ...also if something happens, you can't sue the vaccine makers.

Because the liability has been centralized in a fund that will pay you damages: the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

If "something happens," you'll still be compensated.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by TigeriusKirk »

tablespoon wrote: post #345
tantalor wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it! Edit: If you did have chickenpox, CDC says you don't need the vaccine. > CDC recommends two doses of chickenpox vaccine for children, adolescents, and adults who have never had chickenpox and were never vaccinated . https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html

> Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it! Chicken pox is a different disease. It's not the same as COVID-19. There are a lot of questions around natural COVID-19 immunity that people who want to rely on it need to answer if they don't want to get vaccinated ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27987103 ). Then there's the question of why go through so much troubl…

The burden of proof is not on the people who have every reason to believe they have natural immunity.

It's entirely on people who want to mandate a medical procedure.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by dragonwriter »

tablespoon wrote: post #346
bruceb wrote: post #41

The vaccines are safe and you will be fired for not taking it...also if something happens, you can't sue the vaccine makers.

> ...also if something happens, you can't sue the vaccine makers. Because the liability has been centralized in a fund that will pay you damages: the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. If "something happens," you'll still be compensated.

> Because the liability has been centralized in a fund that will pay you damages: the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

Actually, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP is broadly similar to VICP, but instead of general recommended routine vaccines, covers recommended pandemic/epidemic/etc. diagnostic, treatment, and prevention measures, inclusing vaccines not covered by VICP.)

https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/faq#covid

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Post by ericmay »

tome wrote: post #317
ericmay wrote: post #303

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> I didn't originate this conversation so I can't speak for the original commenter, but it seems to me it's worth pausing for thought when a billion people are due to receive a medical intervention of a type that has never been used before. Sure... but what makes you think the scientific and medical community haven't done the equivalent of this? > I'm not opting to defend against that risk but nor do I think the calc…

I'm not sure how to respond. Did you miss the part where I said I have been vaccinated? I'm not trying to persuade anyone to go unvaccinated! I'm just expressing surprise that a lot of people either (a) don't know that the mechanisms for all the popular vaccines available in the west are completely new or (b) are completely unconcerned about the risks of giving such new medical interventions to a billion people withi…

> However, there is an unquantifiable downside risk as a result of lack of knowledge.

ok... but then you (not you specifically) have to weigh that against the known and real risk of COVID-19. Hundreds of thousands dead, "long COVID", etc. versus an unknown and un-hypothesized risk with unknown bad outcomes.

Like articulate a possible future bad outcome that is realistic due to these vaccines. Can you (or anyone) do that? Like do you think in 20 years people will start wilting away b/c the took the COVID-19 vaccine?

> Well, we have been defending successfully against that risk for about 18 months.

I... wouldn't call our response to COVID-19 all that successful. How many in the US and UK alone have died? a million?

> I was just a bit surprised because you seemed to be suggesting that vaccine skepticism was a new phenomenon.

I'm specifically suggesting that there are loads of new "vaccine skeptics" that are only vaccine skeptics starting in 2020 because they've received enough politicization and disinformation to do so. They weren't skeptics when they were getting annual flu shots or shots for measles or w/e and had no issue with vaccines or the scientific community before.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by dragonwriter »

hereforphone wrote: post #215
hereforphone wrote: post #30

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I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

I want to also add this to my parent post above. There are several vaccinations. Not all are equal. Sinovac was given to my Turkish relatives and they now have to get a 3rd or even 4th shot as Sinovac's efficacy was found to decline after some amount of months. That no one mentions each shot may be different is more proof (to me) that there is a lot of politics (as opposed to thoughtful analysis) going on here.

> Not all are equal. Sinovac was given to my Turkish relatives and they now have to get a 3rd or even 4th shot as Sinovac's efficacy was found to decline after some amount of months.

So has Pfizer and Pfizer is in the process of preparing an application for EUA for boosters.

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