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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#51

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

They have been given to half the adults in the country. I think we have a pretty good idea about the adverse affects at this point. Full FDA approval is a formality at this point.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#52

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

Do they actually reduce spread or do they instead just make people who catch it more likely to avoid hospitalization and increase their survival chances? If it is the first I can see why they do it, if it is the second then I do not see the point of enforcing it.

Although I wonder if they will consider workers who passed covid before (and thus have antibodies) as "vaccinated".

> The vaccines are tested and are safe

Weren't there various (rare) occurrences of serious side effects? (such as the blood clot thing for astra and jonson or myocarditis for pfizer and moderna)

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#53
This might act like an employee filter as well, so maybe it's a win-win from Google's perspective. There's a very high correlation between anti-vaxxers and those who buy into The Big Lie. As a society, we don't need to humor or cater to these people.

Google is an at-will employer, which means that employee or employer can terminate the arrangement at any time. Employees who like the gravy train and feel entitled to the perks can choose to keep them, or they can go somewhere else.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Tech companies won't move in lockstep on this. Battle for talent is too intense, not many companies can call shots like this like Google can. Some companies will be glad to differentiate to try and attract Googlers that do not want to return to the office, that do not want to be vaccinated (tho I think the number of tech workers that are not vax'd is small)

I agree, I suspect that very few Googlers will be unvaxxed and that trying to identify these individuals and poach them will be tough. Not a good look if other tech companies are specifically bringing in non-vaccinated employees. Might create issues with current employees.

Yeah, and on the demand side, I have a hunch that a company that implicitly or explicitly uses their lack of a vaccine requirement as a recruiting pitch would have a hard time recruiting a large subset of engineers.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

They aren’t fully tested, they have emergency FDA approval but haven’t finished the standard approval process yet.

They are fully tested with continued scrutiny. They have been given emergency approval and granted priority review. There is quantifiable fact and evidence that these vaccines are very effective and safe. Both of the mRNA vaccines are scheduled for full approval in Jan/Feb of 2022.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#56
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I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.

Some vaccines take years or even decades to show harm. See Air Force pilots and Anthrax vaccine history. Rare but devastating consequences.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the covid vax. I got Pfizer myself as soon as it was available. But there is still room for doubt.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#57
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Yes, your body your choice, and also your employer your choice. I prefer to flip the script here: none of your coworkers chose to be subjected to someone who is unvaccinated, increasing their risk.

What other characteristics is it ok to use to determine who can earn a living or not?

This is a bad faith argument. Nowhere did I say, or even imply, you cannot earn a living. You can choose to work for someone who will not require it, such as a company who is remote-first, if this is a problem for you.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

> Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection? Yes [1] *EDIT* - People are being pedantic saying it's not a vaccine while technically true it was a government approved medication that had horrific side effects discovered after approval. This is why people are wary about taking a vaccine still under approval as 'emergency use'. And also ridiculous to force employees…

Thalidomide was a terrible medical scandal, but it's not a vaccine. Secondly it didn't cause something unexpected 10 years from injection, it had a side-effect if you were pregnant while taking it.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#59
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I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.

Radiation, asbestos, lead paint and a bunch of others would like a word.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#60
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They are not tested long term.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history....

The Cutter Incident seems like the most damning.

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