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Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by s5300 »

Man, I was really born just in time to see the U.S. outright dig it's grave from pure unadulterated anti-intellectualism.

The CCP may do a lot of fucked up shit, but this century is just going to be completely and utterly dominated by China. I've said quite a lot of bad things about the Chinese government in the past, and may continue to do so until I die... But the U.S. is just fucked, and I very much do want to see humanity succeed and have a chance at exploring our universe to a degree thought impossible throughout our lifetimes. I only see China's method of governing getting us anywhere close to that in the long-term. Maybe they'll show mercy to the research engineers and scientists of the U.S.

As for the rest of our inhabitants... it's near impossible to care at this point.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#102

Post by nicoburns »

trollied wrote: post #56
newacct583 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're genuinely more uncomfortable with the idea of unfair liability protection than you are with the persistence of a pandemic that has already taken millions of lives? I mean, I think it's possible to agree that maybe the liability waiver is too broad (or that Pfizer's net revenue is too high) and... still view this as the most important single medicine released over the past few decades. I mean, come on. Literall…

Imagine if this pandemic was actually Smallpox? Pretty sure there'd be none of the anti-vaxxing stuff etc. Visible, horrible symptoms.

I rather suspect there still would be. Perhaps less. But a lot of the conspiracy theorists actually believe that governments (or their authority of choice) have manufactured the disease. There are also reports of people not believing the disease is real while they're dying in hospital.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#103

Post by mrhands69 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #96
briefcomment wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> B. If one doesn’t take the vaccine, one’s chances of dying or being disabled for years or permanently are much higher. But for a young person with no co-morbidities, that chance is still basically 0%. > C. If one doesn’t take the vaccine there is a significant chance they give the virus to someone else, killing them. Even if others have taken the vaccine themselves? Either that particular risk is negligible if the…

Only for you. The argument above was from civic responsibility, by being in crowded environments while unvaccinated you risk the lives of others. Also, the chance of being disabled for a long while if you are young without comorbidity is far from 0%. It is quite significant, certainly above 0.5%.

What is the risk for people who are vaccinated? There should be some level of personal responsibility at this point. Everyone has had a chance to get the vaccine.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#104

Post by swader999 »

mrtesthah wrote: post #91
swader999 wrote: post #68

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ADE may only occur when immunity wanes though and we may just be at the start of this period. Also ADE can occur for some variants but not necessarily all. And we would hope they would share data on blood titers very soon between these groups because yes, blood titers are more accurate and definitive.

If you are aware that the metric here is nasal replication then you should correct your original comment containing unfounded speculation about ADE.

Updated OP. Thanks

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#105

Post by briefcomment »

beachy wrote: post #83
briefcomment wrote: post #57

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What if we built a device that could trace a particle from your car's exhaust and could tell you if that particle lodged itself in someone's lung at just the right moment to cause a stroke? Or how about a device that could trace the germs from when you skipped washing your hands for at least 20 seconds with a lather because you were late to your 1 on 1 with your boss, which then caused your elderly neighbor to catch…

Every one of your contrived examples has one thing in common - it's not anything to do with an infectious disease, which multiplies exponentially.

Your contrived example is by far the easiest one to tackle. Simply allow the people who are worried enough about this disease to keep topping up their vaccinations.

The people who live in projects next to the freeway don't have it as easy unfortunately. I hope you displace the dangers of the particles your car emits on your commute by donating some portion of your income to a charity that helps people find independent housing.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#107

Post by mrhands69 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #99
briefcomment wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> B. If one doesn’t take the vaccine, one’s chances of dying or being disabled for years or permanently are much higher. But for a young person with no co-morbidities, that chance is still basically 0%. > C. If one doesn’t take the vaccine there is a significant chance they give the virus to someone else, killing them. Even if others have taken the vaccine themselves? Either that particular risk is negligible if the…

There are some people for whom the vaccine will not be effective (those who are already immunocompromised for example, or people with certain allergies to vaccine ingredients). > But for a young person with no co-morbidities, that chance is still basically 0%. Having long term side effects doesn't round to zero, even for young healthy people. And vaccine side effects do.

People can essentially get "long-covid" from the vaccine. Unfortunately, people are afraid to talk about it for fear of being labeled an antivax-er.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by mnowicki »

notheretoo wrote: post #38
beachy wrote: post #17

Anti-vaxxers are setting the stage for enormous profits for big pharma by creating the conditions for breeding new variants that will require more big pharma to combat them. I feel my grandkids will grow up in a world quite different from mine, where travel and experiences will be gated and limited by fear of contagious disease. That sucks and didn't need to happen. Thought experiment for anti-vaxxers - what if there…

You’re right - this gated world didn’t need to happen. Sure would have been nice if American scenarists and eco health didn’t continue gain of function research after it was outlawed in the us. So uh what about this? https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article If it’s true the vax causes antibody dependent enhancement and that YOU, as the individual who took the experimental therapy, is producing higher v…

I know most reasonable people disagree with this persons views, but why are they getting downvoted? They made a reasonable point and provided a source from the CDC. I'd much rather see a rebuttal than downvotes and no response.

Definitely gave me something to think about - not about to become anti-vax or anything but not worth instantly writing off either. For me the bottom line is that the vaccine is proven to prevent a disease that's killing millions, and not getting it will literally translate to more deaths, but that doesn't mean I'm going to disregard opposing views - if I still disagree then it doesn't matter, and if I don't disagree then I'm glad I listened because it'd have to be something massively significant to make me change my mind. And I fully believe mocking or ignoring anyone who goes against the grain on vaccines is causing more 'real' anti-vaxxers and making the ones who are just wary about the Covid vaccine more extreme. I highly doubt anyone is being mocked into abandoning their beliefs on this.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

#109

Post by joshuamorton »

_-david-_ wrote: post #98
b0sk wrote: post #65

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lol. vaccination is the law. you guys can't spread measles anymore and thank god for that.

The measles vaccine has been around for decades. There are plenty of long term studies on the efficacy and saftey. How many long term studies have there been on any of the covid vaccines?

mRNA vaccines have been researched for decades, and the only really novel part of the covid vaccine is the particular protein, which will also be present in a natural infection.

So if you trust the decades of mRNA vaccine research, you should consider the vaccine strictly safer than covid, as getting the disease will expose you to everything the vaccine exposes you to.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by joshuamorton »

mrhands69 wrote: post #107
joshuamorton wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some people for whom the vaccine will not be effective (those who are already immunocompromised for example, or people with certain allergies to vaccine ingredients). > But for a young person with no co-morbidities, that chance is still basically 0%. Having long term side effects doesn't round to zero, even for young healthy people. And vaccine side effects do.

People can essentially get "long-covid" from the vaccine. Unfortunately, people are afraid to talk about it for fear of being labeled an antivax-er.

You'll, of course, cite a source?

There aren't actually any virus particles in the mRNA vaccines, so there's no biological mechanism for that to happen.

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