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Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by mrtesthah »

vetinari wrote: post #54
nicoburns wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C and D seem fine to me. It's necessary to protect everyone else. A and B are the problem. The US government should have limited Pfizer's profit margin, and they should be using the money saved to cover people's medical costs for complications arising from the vaccine (removing the need to sue).

C and D... are you aware of Nuremberg Code, a set of principles created after Nuremberg trials? If you are fine with C and D, you might find yourself in a company that most people would not like to be.

Fact check: Nuremberg Code Addresses Experimentation, Not Vaccines

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/nuremberg-code-addresses-e...

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by jjulius »

slingnow wrote: post #50
newacct583 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's dystopian It's already the law , and has been for like half a century ( edit: more like 80 years, actually ). If you aren't vaccinated you can't attend school. You can't serve in the military. You can't work in many health care fields. We requires our citizenry to be vaccinated against major preventable diseases. We always have. And this policy is, objectively, the second[1] biggest success story in the last f…

Biggest success story? Have you heard about the delta variant and the surge in cases among both unvaccinated AND vaccinated?

1.) The "success story" they're speaking about is the broader vaccination requirements that have been around for far longer than COVID.

2.) You mean the surge in cases that are seeing vaccinated people faring statistically far better than the un-vaccinated? I don't think that it was ever a secret that the vaccine wasn't going to be bulletproof or capable of complete success against all variants, especially variants that didn't exist at the time of development.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by newacct583 »

trollied wrote: post #56
newacct583 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're genuinely more uncomfortable with the idea of unfair liability protection than you are with the persistence of a pandemic that has already taken millions of lives? I mean, I think it's possible to agree that maybe the liability waiver is too broad (or that Pfizer's net revenue is too high) and... still view this as the most important single medicine released over the past few decades. I mean, come on. Literall…

Imagine if this pandemic was actually Smallpox? Pretty sure there'd be none of the anti-vaxxing stuff etc. Visible, horrible symptoms.

Yeah. I've made this point to friends too. In some sense covid sits at exactly the pessimal spot. Any less severe, and we'd have just let it roll over us without the societal breakdown. Any more severe and the mitigation strategy couldn't have become a political issue.

Maybe there's a side-channel attack where we can convince the conspiracy folks that this actually is a Chinese bioweapon designed to destroy the political cohesion of the west, so they should get on board and get their shots. Think it'd work?

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by artificialLimbs »

Panther34543 wrote: post #11

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2]. I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfort…

You're not.

One upshot to this situation is that we are able to see the people who are willing to become hyperventilating statists with a bit more clarity.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by b0sk »

clairity wrote: post #35
Panther34543 wrote: post #11

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2]. I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfort…

> "I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfortable about society going down this path." it's dystopian. this is power that won't be reliquished by either major party, just like 9/11 surveillance and security theater. unlike some of currently fashionable political impetuses, this one is worth actively resisting, to keep federal powers in check.

lol. vaccination is the law. you guys can't spread measles anymore and thank god for that.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by learc83 »

akira2501 wrote: post #52
mint2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that: A. Pfizer isn’t the only vaccine option. B. If one doesn’t take the vaccine, one’s chances of dying or being disabled for years or permanently are much higher. C. If one doesn’t take the vaccine there is a significant chance they give the virus to someone else, killing them. I think it’s the best option out of all non-great options to mandate vaccines in order to participate in crowded settings. It’s a ma…

> one’s chances of dying or being disabled for years or permanently are much higher. What is "much higher" in a number? > If one doesn’t take the vaccine there is a significant chance they give the virus to someone else, killing them. "Significant" would depend on their lifestyle, would it not? Are the rural unvaccinated as "significant" as the urban unvacinnated? > Civic responsibility isn’t brought up much these da…

> What is "much higher" in a number?

The Pfizer vaccine as I believe 94% effective against severe disease, so around 20x higher.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by akira2501 »

newacct583 wrote: post #42
clairity wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfortable about society going down this path." it's dystopian. this is power that won't be reliquished by either major party, just like 9/11 surveillance and security theater. unlike some of currently fashionable political impetuses, this one is worth actively resisting, to keep federal powers in check.

> it's dystopian It's already the law , and has been for like half a century ( edit: more like 80 years, actually ). If you aren't vaccinated you can't attend school. You can't serve in the military. You can't work in many health care fields. We requires our citizenry to be vaccinated against major preventable diseases. We always have. And this policy is, objectively, the second[1] biggest success story in the last f…

> If you aren't vaccinated you can't attend school.

Unless you get an exemption, which can be requested and are often granted on a variety of grounds.

> We requires our citizenry to be vaccinated against major preventable diseases. We always have.

We clearly don't, though. As a citizen you can be entirely unvaccinated and live a completely normal life.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by swader999 »

mrtesthah wrote: post #24
swader999 wrote: post #9

Party might be ending for Pfizer if this early report plays out as stated and data shows viral blood titers are being found to have higher loads in the vaccinated vs non vaxxed. It would suggest the worst nightmare for a vaccine, ADE could be happening. From NBC Twitter: New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously und…

He's referring to replication in the nasal passage[1], which was already expected[2] and has nothing to do with overall viral titers in the blood stream nor with ADE. ADE would have been detected long before the first trials from last year ended (see tylerhou's comment). "As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinat…

ADE may only occur when immunity wanes though and we may just be at the start of this period. Also ADE can occur for some variants but not necessarily all.

And we would hope they would share data on blood titers very soon between these groups because yes, blood titers are more accurate and definitive.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by myko »

newacct583 wrote: post #59
slingnow wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biggest success story? Have you heard about the delta variant and the surge in cases among both unvaccinated AND vaccinated?

I have not heard of a surge in cases among the unvaccinated, actually. Do you have a cite? All data I've seen points to a 90%+ effectiveness of Pfizer vs. Delta for infection, and it looks like more than 99% vs. death. It's MUCH MUCH MUCH safer to face potential infection with the vaccine than without.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/health/cdc-mask-guidance-vacc...

There are many more breakthrough cases with the delta variant. That said, the vaccines are still very good at combatting serious illness:

    We continue to estimate that the risk of a breakthrough 
    infection with symptom upon exposure to the Delta variant 
    is reduced by seven-fold. The reduction of 20-fold for 
    hospitalizations, and deaths," Walensky said during 
    Tuesday's briefing.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by jmcgough »

slingnow wrote: post #50
newacct583 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's dystopian It's already the law , and has been for like half a century ( edit: more like 80 years, actually ). If you aren't vaccinated you can't attend school. You can't serve in the military. You can't work in many health care fields. We requires our citizenry to be vaccinated against major preventable diseases. We always have. And this policy is, objectively, the second[1] biggest success story in the last f…

Biggest success story? Have you heard about the delta variant and the surge in cases among both unvaccinated AND vaccinated?

If you look at the numbers, you're significantly less likely to be infected if you've been vaccinated, and hospitalization rates are 95% lower. The fact that we're seeing a good number of people infected after vaccination is classic Bayes theorem.

If we could get 70% of the population vaccinated we could be done with this and move on with our lives.

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