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The amount of thinly veiled (or actually outright blatant) anti-vax posts here on Hacker News is really disheartening.
Seeing tin foil hats everywhere is easy--and a trap.
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There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.
The people resistant to taking them are concerned with potential “long term”effects so by definition argue that it wouldn’t be known by now.
Not necessarily long-term. I would suggest that short-term effects such as thrombosis of myocarditis, however rare, are also a valid cause for concern.
How are they going to even know you took the vaccine? Honor system? If they force you to disclose doesn't that break HIPAA? If it doesn't break HIPAA, then doesn't this create a precedent that employers can gain your medical history with arbitrary mandates? Seems like a lose-lose.
(It happens to carve out some reasons why sharing without consent might also be allowed, such as public health purposes, but that wouldn't even be necessary here.)
What form do these mandates take? What kind of proof do they ask for? As I thought that vaccine information was private medical information. Couldn’t someone presumably just lie?
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Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... The Cutter Incident seems like the most damning.
I'm shocked so many people on HN support this. The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will…
(1) It is not clearly a condition of employment, as remote work remains available, generally til mod October and individually beyond that.
(2) The work condition to which it is relevant is “in office work” because of the still-ongoing pandemic, which has not historically been a work condition requiring vaccination.
(3) The vaccines involved are under Emergency Use Authorizations, not generally approved.
To the extent that #2 and #3 might otherwise make the policy questionable, I think as long as #1 is still the case there's not much real ground for that.
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There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.
The people resistant to taking them are concerned with potential “long term”effects so by definition argue that it wouldn’t be known by now.
Is anyone putting up a real argument that the vaccines may have long-term harm that outweighs the harm done by the risk of the disease in the same timeframe? Say 20 years. Compute the risk of getting covid over 20 years based on, say, the risk seen in North Dakota over the last year and estimate a health outcome based on that. Is anyone putting up a real argument that any of the vaccines might have a comparable outcome?
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The venn diagram of unvaxxed, exceptional engineers, willing to move to a new company is probably very, very small.
With the amount of ridiculous anti-vaxxing statements in this thread, I'm beginning to think there may actually be a large contingent of software engineers deciding not to be vaccinated.
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Some vaccines take years or even decades to show harm. See Air Force pilots and Anthrax vaccine history. Rare but devastating consequences. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the covid vax. I got Pfizer myself as soon as it was available. But there is still room for doubt.
Sure, but the harm from COVID is pretty evident in the 600,000 deaths in the states in the past 18 months. No one has said the vaccine is 100% safe, it does list side effects after all, but this whole notion of "I'm waiting until all the data is out/it's only approved for emergency use" is just nonsensical.
I'm shocked so many people on HN support this. The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will…
You don't have the right to put others at risk of harm. That's why, at least in the US, vaccinations are already usually mandatory for entering public school.