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Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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It's a great article. The real problem with evidence like this is that the "believer" must strive for 100% accuracy; that is really hard. The "skeptic" only needs to have one single piece of data turn out to be inaccurate, and then can doubt the entire thing; that is really easy. And, we can hold both things in our heads. I just went to the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. There is a terrific exhibit which shows a paleobo…

I think there's more to it than that. It reminds me of JBS Haldane's four stages of acceptance: 1. This is worthless nonsense 2. This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view. 3. This is true, but quite unimportant. 4. I always said so. I think many former 'skeptics' are now at stage 3.

Skeptics = deniers in your mind?

Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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Devil's advocate response: As I read it, the values here are the date that cherry blossom are first witnessed in the year. There's probably a bell-shaped distribution of when blossom appears on a given tree i.e. there will be a very small number of trees that bloom really early. If you have more people looking for it, then there's a greater chance that someone will spot a really exceptionally early tree. So an altern…

No, the values are the "full-flowering date" not the "first"

Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a climate change denier. A lot of us keep our opinions to ourselves, mostly because we know we don’t know enough about it. Articles like these help change my mind. Well, partly. The question I keep coming to is “how do you know any of this matters, for a definition of ‘matter’ that includes widespread upheaval of human societies?” But at this point I go meh, not worth the risk. Point is, condescending remarks onl…

Let me guess, you’re American?

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Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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Devil's advocate response: As I read it, the values here are the date that cherry blossom are first witnessed in the year. There's probably a bell-shaped distribution of when blossom appears on a given tree i.e. there will be a very small number of trees that bloom really early. If you have more people looking for it, then there's a greater chance that someone will spot a really exceptionally early tree. So an altern…

Japan's population has declined since 2010, so somehow this explanation would have to account for why fewer people see blossoms earlier.

Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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post #4

It's a great article. The real problem with evidence like this is that the "believer" must strive for 100% accuracy; that is really hard. The "skeptic" only needs to have one single piece of data turn out to be inaccurate, and then can doubt the entire thing; that is really easy. And, we can hold both things in our heads. I just went to the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. There is a terrific exhibit which shows a paleobo…

Some people are literally willing to die rather than wear a mask or get a vaccine and do you think that this kind of people care about climate change or anything else?

If you find yourself saying or thinking "It's so simple why don't people understand" with regard to a political or social issue, there's a good chance you don't fully understand the issue.

Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

#39

Devil's advocate response: As I read it, the values here are the date that cherry blossom are first witnessed in the year. There's probably a bell-shaped distribution of when blossom appears on a given tree i.e. there will be a very small number of trees that bloom really early. If you have more people looking for it, then there's a greater chance that someone will spot a really exceptionally early tree. So an altern…

I haven’t dug into the data set, but the title of the graph says “peak bloom”, not first bloom, implying that outliers don’t significantly affect the results.

Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's more to it than that. It reminds me of JBS Haldane's four stages of acceptance: 1. This is worthless nonsense 2. This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view. 3. This is true, but quite unimportant. 4. I always said so. I think many former 'skeptics' are now at stage 3.

Skeptics = deniers in your mind?

I changed the wording to more closely respond to the parent comment.
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