Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
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Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#2"It's not projected data, it's actual data. It's not measured, it's observed."
It's certainly elegant proof. If those climate change deniers could read they would be very upset.
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#3"It's not projected data, it's actual data. It's not measured, it's observed." It's certainly elegant proof. If those climate change deniers could read they would be very upset.
I’m a climate change denier. A lot of us keep our opinions to ourselves, mostly because we know we don’t know enough about it.
Articles like these help change my mind.
Well, partly. The question I keep coming to is “how do you know any of this matters, for a definition of ‘matter’ that includes widespread upheaval of human societies?” But at this point I go meh, not worth the risk.
Point is, condescending remarks only push people away from your cause. Why would you want to do that?
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#4It's a great article.
The real problem with evidence like this is that the "believer" must strive for 100% accuracy; that is really hard.
The "skeptic" only needs to have one single piece of data turn out to be inaccurate, and then can doubt the entire thing; that is really easy.
And, we can hold both things in our heads. I just went to the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. There is a terrific exhibit which shows a paleobotanist discovering fossilized palm fronds in Alaska. The climate has changed radically over time. And, it is still very possible that we are altering it for the worse. And, we should all know we will be impacted whether or not we can find the "right people" to blame for it. Let's not waste time arguing over that, but I suspect the real conspiracy is that we are arguing over that, rather than arguing over how to solve what is inevitable.
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#5"It's not projected data, it's actual data. It's not measured, it's observed." It's certainly elegant proof. If those climate change deniers could read they would be very upset.
I’m a climate change denier. A lot of us keep our opinions to ourselves, mostly because we know we don’t know enough about it. Articles like these help change my mind. Well, partly. The question I keep coming to is “how do you know any of this matters, for a definition of ‘matter’ that includes widespread upheaval of human societies?” But at this point I go meh, not worth the risk. Point is, condescending remarks onl…
I'm not sure I understand. Why deny something that you claim not to know enough about?
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#6"It's not projected data, it's actual data. It's not measured, it's observed." It's certainly elegant proof. If those climate change deniers could read they would be very upset.
I’m a climate change denier. A lot of us keep our opinions to ourselves, mostly because we know we don’t know enough about it. Articles like these help change my mind. Well, partly. The question I keep coming to is “how do you know any of this matters, for a definition of ‘matter’ that includes widespread upheaval of human societies?” But at this point I go meh, not worth the risk. Point is, condescending remarks onl…
Let me guess, you’re American?
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#7"It's not projected data, it's actual data. It's not measured, it's observed." It's certainly elegant proof. If those climate change deniers could read they would be very upset.
I’m a climate change denier. A lot of us keep our opinions to ourselves, mostly because we know we don’t know enough about it. Articles like these help change my mind. Well, partly. The question I keep coming to is “how do you know any of this matters, for a definition of ‘matter’ that includes widespread upheaval of human societies?” But at this point I go meh, not worth the risk. Point is, condescending remarks onl…
If you want evidence of widespread upheaval, just look at California's weather data over the past few decades. It's consistently gotten hotter and dryer, causing more and more fires that are killing hundreds of people per year and destroying entire towns. It's not about believing in climate change, it's about *understanding* it. It's very real.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Wildfires-...
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#8Sinking feeling sets in. I am assuming the modern economic systems will change once the significantly wealthy class start to loose real material wealth and opportunity. Unfortunately that will not be a good thing for billions of people over the next fifty years. I am also assuming really interesting technologies will make climate change livable for many, but no all and perhaps that's the way the game Earth is played.
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#9It's a great article. The real problem with evidence like this is that the "believer" must strive for 100% accuracy; that is really hard. The "skeptic" only needs to have one single piece of data turn out to be inaccurate, and then can doubt the entire thing; that is really easy. And, we can hold both things in our heads. I just went to the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. There is a terrific exhibit which shows a paleobo…
It's a classic red vs. blue attack/defense problem that affects lots of fields.
To make a perfectly secure piece of software it must be flawless. An attacker on the other hand only needs to find a single exploit, a single oversight, to break it.
Defending something is orders of magnitude more difficult than attacking something for that reason.
Re: Japan's cherry blossom: as indisputable as climate change evidence gets
#10It's a great article. The real problem with evidence like this is that the "believer" must strive for 100% accuracy; that is really hard. The "skeptic" only needs to have one single piece of data turn out to be inaccurate, and then can doubt the entire thing; that is really easy. And, we can hold both things in our heads. I just went to the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. There is a terrific exhibit which shows a paleobo…
I think there's more to it than that. It reminds me of JBS Haldane's four stages of acceptance:
1. This is worthless nonsense
2. This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view.
3. This is true, but quite unimportant.
4. I always said so.
I think many former 'skeptics' are now at stage 3.