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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#131
post #36

Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.

Mild climate is something to be proud of? Sure glad we all pulled together on that one and changed the climate!

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#132
post #9

Good. It's time Silicon Valley cared about TDP the way auto makers have to care about gas mileage. Tighten the screws.

There you are! I was hoping to find someone with this opinion, and although I had to scroll quite aways I'm glad to have found you.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#133
post #82

All that the rules say (yes, I read them) is that a workstation with 32G RAM (formula is 10 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB) must not exceed ~ 11W in sleep mode and a desktop with 32G RAM must not exceed 6W in sleep mode (5 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB). Basically, these desktops probably have very ancient/buggy motherboards with broken ACPI. Good riddance. Fun fact: Desktops/workstations shipped without an operating system at purchasers reque…

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#134

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> the difficult task of enacting even more wealth transfers is the only solution there What? Haven’t you heard of tax brackets? If you are so keen to tax electricity more than it already is , and are concerned it would affect the poor, then use tax bracketing just like income tax does. The poor pay less by being in a lower bracket. Having said that, higher taxes on electricity may affect businesses in a way you don’t…

Marginal sales tax rates would be ideal, but outside of a central database of all transactions, I do not see how it is feasible.

The same way that income taxes are calculated and paid. You pay tax once per year based on your income. But anyway, I don’t like the idea. It wasn’t mine.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#135
post #98
post #88

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You think California spent months with 1/2 the population without power at a time?

Not continuously, just intermittently for a few months of the year.

As sad as the fires were, it was nowhere near half the population without power, “for months.” Even intermittently/cumulatively.

Turns out, a LOT of people live in CA.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#136
post #62

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These aren't that powerful from a computing standpoint; They use low-end i5 11400F along with a low-end nVidia 1650 Super and have 8GB single-channel memory. Also, I think it's more about inefficiency when sleeping and idle.

Yeah, but for me its more about it being illegal than actually being a good laptop.

Is it illegal to possess or just illegal to sell?

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#137

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requires: + 87% + PSU efficiency + Incorporate Energy-Efficient Ethernet functionality +. Transition connected displays into sleep mode within 15 minutes of user inactivity + Transition the computer into either the computer sleep mode or computer off mode within 30 minutes of user inactivity. If the transition is to a computer sleep mode, that sleep mode shall either as described in ACPI as S3 or Consume power less t…

> Consume power less than or equal to 10 + 0.03 * C, where C is the system memory capacity in gigabytes minus 32 gigabytes (see Table V-6 in Title 20 Section 1605.3(v)) Umm what? Who came up with this? Is there any scientific basis behind this?

It makes sense. Out of all components only RAM’s power usage scales linearly to it’s size. You need to periodically refresh each single memory cell to not lose it. Everything else you can either switch off or move to standby.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#138
post #82

All that the rules say (yes, I read them) is that a workstation with 32G RAM (formula is 10 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB) must not exceed ~ 11W in sleep mode and a desktop with 32G RAM must not exceed 6W in sleep mode (5 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB). Basically, these desktops probably have very ancient/buggy motherboards with broken ACPI. Good riddance. Fun fact: Desktops/workstations shipped without an operating system at purchasers reque…

What distinguishes a workstation from a desktop?

I once bought a workstation for a great price, wanted to make a good gaming PC. I discovered that the case didn't fit dedicated GPUs, except the short form factor ones. I ended up cutting some metal bays out with a metal saw to fit my GPU in.

Workstations are also often sold with ECC RAM.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#139
post #17

I've never wanted an Alienware laptop in my life, but as a resident of Oregon there is absolutely nothing more that I want right now than an illegally powerful laptop.

The problem isn't that they are outrageously powerful, it's just that they're so badly made that they don't idle properly.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#140
post #98
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think California spent months with 1/2 the population without power at a time?

Not continuously, just intermittently for a few months of the year.

Not really, I sat through the outages in Bay Area in the coastal area that basically got turned off by PG&E at the slightest hint of winds (yeah the coast is windy, that’s not new) and eventually broke down and bought a gasoline powered portable generator… not having hot water to shower with gets old very quickly, as does refilling ice chest with actual ice to have food.

Even then, it was at most a few weeks total. Annoying as hell, but probably not enough to really move the needle. Wish we could have had autonomous solar (but while renting, that wasn’t an option). Best I could do was a portable panel to recharge phones/power banks for the evening.

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