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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#81

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Home built PC's will be considered "ghost computers" and will also be banned.

Home built PC's are a threat to our democracy. They endanger minorities and are a National Security Threat. They must be strictly regulated and all such weapons of war must go through a 6 month delay period, 21 year old age minimum, licensing, background checks and must be registered with the federal government. Cosmetic features like RGB lighting or mice which improve targeting of the on screen cursor must be banned…

"Moms demand action for common sense computer control"

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#82
All that the rules say (yes, I read them) is that a workstation with 32G RAM (formula is 10 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB) must not exceed ~ 11W in sleep mode and a desktop with 32G RAM must not exceed 6W in sleep mode (5 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB).

Basically, these desktops probably have very ancient/buggy motherboards with broken ACPI. Good riddance.

Fun fact: Desktops/workstations shipped without an operating system at purchasers request are exempt from the rule. So technically, if they don’t insist on shipping with OEM Windows, then the PC can be shipped just fine.

In any case, hopefully this rule will nudge them to use half-decent motherboards that maybe better supported under non-Windows operating systems.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#83

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“The National Commission for Computer Safety and Integrity requires that, as part of the 2032 Standards for Internet Safety, all devices must run manufacturer authorized code unless a permit has been granted, to supposedly prevent future pipeline and cyberwarfare attacks.”

I remember the first time people debated if you should need a license to use the internet. This came up again during the Obama years, https://www.govtech.com/security/Drivers-License-for-the-Int...

Same people who also consider voter id to be "racist".

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#84
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This is a $1100 computer, not a $2M car.

It makes a lot more sense to ban a car (regardless of price) for polluting the environment we all breathe and contributing to global warming, than it does to ban a computer that uses power the end user pays for by the kilowatt.

I'm absolutely positive that the total carbon emissions from mid-grade retail gaming laptops outpaces the carbon emissions from super high-end luxury sports cars by a couple orders of magnitude at least. I'd be shocked if the ~25 Bugatti Veyrons in existence drive a collective 250 miles per years, compared to how many tens of thousands of wannabe streamers drop $1-1.5k on a shitty Dell every year?

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#85

Relevant link: https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/appli... (expand the section titled Computers)

one of those links (California Appliance Efficiency Regulations for Computers http://energycodeace.com/download/21326/file_path/fieldList/... ) says "High Expand ability Computer" is: > Has power supply of 600 watts or greater and either + discrete GPU with 600GB/sec framebuffer bandwidth or more + a total of 8 gigabytes or more of system memory with a bandwidth of 632 GB/s or more and an integrated GPU how closely d…

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#86

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For California: https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/IEEDE2D64EF7B4F168... See tables V-6 and V-7

Mostly V-7 it looks like. What's insane is trying to find this information directly on california gov website. all the links are broken.

the link isn't broken, its just chrome blocking the pdf because its not on https but the src site is.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#87
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Anyone know the actual rules? Is it a hard limit on the amount of power a home computer can consume, or is it something more subtle like a limit on the power when its idling?

From the fact sheet I found it’s mostly making sure the OS is configured for sleep by default and a minimum 80+ gold rated PSU if you have a 600W+ unit.

Knowing Dell, it’s probably the power supply not meeting 80+ gold efficiency.

EDIT: I guess there’s max allowed power during ACPI S3 state as well. 10.3W max for a system Not that it matters - nobody should be buying any of Dell’s Alienware desktops. The chassis provides terrible airflow and the components inside will thermal throttle like crazy.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#88
post #79

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How much of that is due to the mild climate and how much is due to the energy efficiency programs?

A few months of wildfires with brownouts where only half the population can have power at a given time will save a bucketload, too.

You think California spent months with 1/2 the population without power at a time?

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

#89
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Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.

And yet I pay $.55/kWH at peak times to PG&E. Ugh.
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