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PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #128

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the librem is a bit too clunky and expensive, probability of pine adding a newer GPU is higher!

Probability is higher than what? Librem 5 is already there, whereas next Pinephone is not really on the horizon.

slimmer cheaper librem.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #148

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Funny, my experience has been that windows users had trouble to connect their fancy bluetooth headsets with the proper profile, or they forgot to charge their airpods and had to scramble to get a replacement earphone... all the linux devs on my team (myself included) manage to connect to zoom, slack or google meet without any issue. The difference is we know already what works with our equipment and what doesn't, so…

Maybe when this crisis is over, those Linux devs should come one day earlier when trying to do presentations on our beamers, instead of showing us the configuration mighty of xrandr.

It's the other day around. You should be asking them what beamers they would be able to use on their Linux systems with good support and that does not require complicated tools, instead of buying something that is not supported (yet!) and claiming later that Linux is crap because it doesn't work for your particular type of hardware.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #128

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the librem is a bit too clunky and expensive, probability of pine adding a newer GPU is higher!

Probability is higher than what? Librem 5 is already there, whereas next Pinephone is not really on the horizon.

> Librem 5 is already there

Again. Just because it 'is already there' is just not good enough. That alone still doesn't tell us how well it runs. For example, the Librem 5 itself is just as sluggish when running general apps and also running Android apps in Andbox. [0]

Leads me to think that neither the Pinephone or the Librem 5 are ready for production use or recommendation to the Android user who wants to know if it runs the same apps on it, or even runs better than their Android phone to justify the switch.

To Downvoters: So in [0], you are saying that this product runs apps better than a Google Pixel or an iPhone 7? Are you really prepared to recommend Android or iOS users to switch to this even if it the experience is in fact worse than their previous phones?

I get that the main selling points has been about privacy (In light of the NSO hacks) but many users won't want to be beta tester of a product that feels unfinished and sluggish. The smart thing to do is to wait for them to improve it over time before coming out as a serious alternative.

[0] https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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The pinephone is great, in fact I'm typing this comment from mine. That said, fair warning to anyone thinking about getting one: it's slow, buggy, and flat out unreliable if you need to be able to receive / answer calls and texts for anything important (e.g. work). Once they get the software worked out over the next few years though, it'll be the best thing out there. No ads, no bullshit, just a phone with a mainline…

I think the main thing that PinePhone has going for them is the price $150-200 for what essentially is a hobbyist device at this point is more than reasonable. This is in stark contrast to the Purism phones which offer about the same hardware (slightly better CPU but worse GPU) at flagship prices. This is somewhat also proof that the prices that Purism charges aren’t due to lack of economy of scale you can make these…

> This is in stark contrast to the Purism phones which offer about the same hardware (slightly better CPU but worse GPU) at flagship prices.

This is very far from truth: https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs-of-upcoming-linux-p...

The i.MX 8M Quad is better than the Allwinner A64: 30% faster CPU clock speed, 140% faster RAM standard, 140% better OpenGL performance, USB 3.0 and support for higher resolution cameras.

(and performance is just one of many reasons to prefer Librem 5 over Pinephone, see the link)

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #152

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You have a strange definition of "great." If any other phone exhibited those characteristics, I would write it off as garbage, not excuse its faults with a promise that they'll be fixed Real Soon Now™

True. Unfortunately, the next person will ask about if this phone will have the same apps and games as they do on their iOS/Android device. They'll just say, does it have WhatsApp?, Netflix?, Instagram?, Snapchat?, TikTok?, Chrome?, 1Password?, etc, etc. The fact that it has been admitted that 'it's slow, buggy, and flat out unreliable if you need to be able to receive / answer calls and texts for anything important'…

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #161

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Great, but it seems to be quite 'experimental' (and buggy) rather than production ready for people wishing to switch from Android to the Pinephone. Just saying it is 'There' doesn't really tell us how well it actually runs on it. To quote the grandparent comment mentioning the word 'seamlessly' as the requirement.

https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/ (It's not the Pinephone, but another GNU/Linux phone. Should be similar apart from the performance)

As I already said [0], it is just as sluggish as the PinePhone.

The grandparent comment asked if it could 'seamlessly' run Android apps (Obviously not iOS) and clearly in that video, it is not the case and it is already struggling with running simple Android apps.

I'm afraid Android users hoping to jump on either of these phones right now will be disappointed.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27948695

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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> Examples are so abundant and obvious that I'm not sure I need to mention any, but for the sake of argument. In software: Linux, Gimp, Firefox, VLC, Blender, OpenOffice If you picked an average computer user at random (read: not people on HN) and had them try out Linux, Gimp, and OpenOffice, I don't think they'd agree with you that they're as high-quality as their commercial alternatives.

My relatives are using Linux with LibreOffice just fine, no complains. You will only have problems if you must use proprietary apps from monopolies which actively fight against freedom.

i use libreoffice every day and love it. writer is great. it has an easy menu. (personally, i have found ms office annoying ever since their ribbon device). and calc is a great spreadsheet. i think it is psychic a lot of the time, knowing what i want to do.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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post #54

The store page mentions dead pixels; It's the first time I'm seeing a disclaimer like this on a smartphone. Is this normal? Why aren't other manufacturers mentioning this? Source: https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve... > A small numbers of stuck or dead pixels (1-3) can be a characteristic of LCD screens. While rare, this should not be considered a defect. If you think that a minor dissatisfa…

All webshops I've ever ordered monitors from basically had the same rules, except they're usually slightly more hidden. I have 7 pinephones here and not a single dead pixel, only defect I've ever had was dust in a display on a pinetab prototype.

Query, since you appear to be heavily involved: I am looking to buy a used/cheap phone to replace our home wifi hotspot(a very tired Moto G4 + LineageOS, always plugged to power). No calls or texts required, just handling up to 5 device connections to the inet(music streaming, video downloads, web browsing). Having a new linux toy to tinker with would be a bonus, would love to support Pine64, but the inet reliability would need to be there as it is our only connection... extreme rural locale, no landline or line-of-site options available, Starlink is not yet an option, AFAIK, and def outside the budget.

In your opinion, would a PinePhone be a realistic candidate for our hotspot at this time?

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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> I'm coming to the realisation that open source projects will always provide a lower quality than comerical ones. That is not true. As far as I am concerned Linux is clearly superior OS for my laptop over commercial alternatives. > How can we honestly expect a small team of developers to compete with the larger teams a commerical project can afford? In many cases they win by default. If "no leaking of personal data"…

> That is not true. As far as I am concerned Linux is clearly superior OS for my laptop over commercial alternatives. I love Linux. I'm a Linux desktop user but I can 100% say my experience is degraded compared to mac and windows users. Not just in apps that are there but in small things like sometimes it changes which mic is being used without telling me. Driver support is also a thing. I have my GUI crash on me on…

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Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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The pinephone is great, in fact I'm typing this comment from mine. That said, fair warning to anyone thinking about getting one: it's slow, buggy, and flat out unreliable if you need to be able to receive / answer calls and texts for anything important (e.g. work). Once they get the software worked out over the next few years though, it'll be the best thing out there. No ads, no bullshit, just a phone with a mainline…

Unfortunately what will likely happen is if the project becomes extremely successful a big corporate interest will buddy up to the project and pretend to have the best interest of the community in mind as they make the project increasingly dependent on their funding and development resources until finally the shoe drops and the corporate interest has unofficial control over the pinephone project similar to Google with Ubuntu and IBM/Redhat with CentOS. Every one has a weakness and a price.
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