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PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by ppcar »

karussell wrote: post #87
ppcar wrote: post #51

I carry around a Pinephone with my personal SIM and use it for most personal activities. I also carry about a work phone, which I use for work, and personal activites that I can't yet do on the Pinephone (maps, chromecast, etc.) It's liberating to have plain old Linux on my phone. My phone is now introspectable, behaves like my other computers, and only runs software that does not track me. I hack on these and am exc…

Can you explain why you have to use a different phone for maps? Couldn't you use a browser? Or do you mean navigation? And is the GPS device optional or always included for all pinephones?

I use GNOME Maps for some things, but it doesn't do navigation.

I think GPS is always included on all Pinephones: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone#GPS_.2F_GNSS

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by ppcar »

intricatedetail wrote: post #93
ppcar wrote: post #51

I carry around a Pinephone with my personal SIM and use it for most personal activities. I also carry about a work phone, which I use for work, and personal activites that I can't yet do on the Pinephone (maps, chromecast, etc.) It's liberating to have plain old Linux on my phone. My phone is now introspectable, behaves like my other computers, and only runs software that does not track me. I hack on these and am exc…

You are still being tracked if you carry that other phone though.

You're right. I would prefer no tracking, but am happy with having reduced the amount of tracking that occurs.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by rglullis »

gm wrote: post #24
deltaonefour wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That is not true. As far as I am concerned Linux is clearly superior OS for my laptop over commercial alternatives. I would argue Linux is only superior from the IT software perspective. This is a very narrow perspective that is only inflated if you're in IT or on an IT related site like HN. From almost every other dimension Linux is inferior and therefore from an Overall perspective it is inferior. The most importa…

LOL, so true. I often need to have online meetings with engineers that for some reason prefer Linux as their desktop OS. Guess which meeting participants _always_ delay the meetings because they can't get their audio/video working for routine meetings? If that happens to pretty tech savvy software engineers, the average user has zero chance of using Linux as a desktop effectively.

Funny, my experience has been that windows users had trouble to connect their fancy bluetooth headsets with the proper profile, or they forgot to charge their airpods and had to scramble to get a replacement earphone... all the linux devs on my team (myself included) manage to connect to zoom, slack or google meet without any issue.

The difference is we know already what works with our equipment and what doesn't, so we don't wait until the last minute to figure out if some gadget can be used in an important setting? Also important, some of the engineers that "for some reason prefer Linux" know something that you don't, like the importance of adopting open standards and buying from hardware companies that do not lock you in into their ecosystem?

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by that_guy_iain »

prox wrote: post #44
that_guy_iain wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once they get the software worked out over the next few years though, it'll be the best thing out there. No ads, no bullshit, just a phone with a mainline linux distribution. I'm coming to the realisation that open source projects will always provide a lower quality than comerical ones. How can we honestly expect a small team of developers to compete with the larger teams a commerical project can afford? The realit…

Reading the comments, and weighing your comment, you say we need to have Android to be successful. Before that you say “we need apps”, that’s the heart of your comment. It can be successfully argued that we don’t need more of what we already have (aka closed walled, ad ridden, privacy off by default - solutions) We (as in developers) should start believing in these projects and adopt them. Blender for a long time cou…

I was saying for me to want to use it I want Android. Not just for apps but also for all the extra stablity features.

> Before that you say “we need apps”, that’s the heart of your comment.

Apps are major reason for using my phone. I don't really phone or text people I use whatsapp, telegram, etc for messaging, Twitter and Reddit for content and a browser for the rest. Then there are covid apps, health tracking apps, etc.

> It can be successfully argued that we don’t need more of what we already have (aka closed walled, ad ridden, privacy off by default - solutions)

Try getting traction when everyone compares you to those things and those things are what people want.

> We (as in developers) should start believing in these projects and adopt them. Blender for a long time couldn’t match the big boys of 3D creation. Right now it’s really gaining traction. I see a couple of factors for its succes:

The issue I see here is that the it supports multiple operating systems and each operating system is a small team. Everyone believes in their version of the operating system.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by that_guy_iain »

matkoniecz wrote: post #15
that_guy_iain wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once they get the software worked out over the next few years though, it'll be the best thing out there. No ads, no bullshit, just a phone with a mainline linux distribution. I'm coming to the realisation that open source projects will always provide a lower quality than comerical ones. How can we honestly expect a small team of developers to compete with the larger teams a commerical project can afford? The realit…

> I'm coming to the realisation that open source projects will always provide a lower quality than comerical ones. That is not true. As far as I am concerned Linux is clearly superior OS for my laptop over commercial alternatives. > How can we honestly expect a small team of developers to compete with the larger teams a commerical project can afford? In many cases they win by default. If "no leaking of personal data"…

> That is not true. As far as I am concerned Linux is clearly superior OS for my laptop over commercial alternatives.

I love Linux. I'm a Linux desktop user but I can 100% say my experience is degraded compared to mac and windows users. Not just in apps that are there but in small things like sometimes it changes which mic is being used without telling me.

Driver support is also a thing.

I have my GUI crash on me on a semi regular basis.

And that is on Ubuntu which is a commerical product. And probably the best funded desktop linux there is.

Simply put, it is not stable.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by nousermane »

emteycz wrote: post #88
theodric wrote: post #83

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You have a strange definition of "great." If any other phone exhibited those characteristics, I would write it off as garbage, not excuse its faults with a promise that they'll be fixed Real Soon Now™

Don't forget about the price: $200 doesn't get you flagship experience.

Depends on which year's. Pine64's SoC, Allwinner A64 is 4x 1,2 GHz Cortex-A53 chip, giving you about the same level of raw performance as a 2013 flagship phone.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by dsr_ »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #78
dsr_ wrote: post #62

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No end user could run anything on a DangerOS device that didn't come from the store; nothing went into the store that wasn't written in Java and met their guidelines. Pinephone is completely orthogonal to this.

"Pinephone is completely orthogonal to this." Do you mean Pine64 has no intention of trying to control what people do with the device? Did anyone ever try to "root" the Sidekick? Always interested to hear more about it.

I mean that that the Pinephone is not a DangerOS device, so anything that I say about the Danger Hiptop has nothing to do with the Pinephone.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by logimame »

tpoacher wrote: post #98
theodric wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a strange definition of "great." If any other phone exhibited those characteristics, I would write it off as garbage, not excuse its faults with a promise that they'll be fixed Real Soon Now™

Windows has all of those characteristics and people still think it's great.

I would disagree with the “No ads, no bullshit” part though…
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