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It's currently Schrödinger's Thunderbolt, but it'll collapse to an answer once we complete certifications.
Isn't usb 4.0 pretty much thunderbolt specs wise?
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#612Just one year of warranty? I should hope their hardware lasts longer than that on average. Is that actually legal to sell to EU customers? The EU minimum on new electronics is 2 years, and the Netherlands has an unlimited period so long as you could reasonably expect it (which shops then translate as 2 years, but if it dies one day after then you aren't necessarily out of options).
We'll be offering extended warranties in the future, but we're allowing for time in market for us to be able to price that appropriately.
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So design it like a CPU socket? Laptops usually don't have socketed CPUs because they also need to mount a heatsink, but RAM doesn't have that issue.
So an FM2 socket (to pick one of the more reliable ones), which has ~900 pins has a 4.5in^2 area and adds ~.25" in thickness, while reducing the maximum speed you can get through the chip at the very low voltages necessary to run LPDDR, which is what I meant by compromising speed and power. Not to mention that socketting parts reduces your production yield over SMT, increases your assembly cost, and cuts reliability…
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Do you have a comparison of battery runtime with each config?
We've tested MobileMark 2018 at ~11 hours on the Base config, dropping to ~10 hours on the Professional config (due to more DRAM). Runtime will always depend on workload though.
If you put 11hs on your site but the average reviewed time is 4hs, it’s not going to look great.
I know you guys are super busy launching this and there are a million things to look at, just sharing my opinion as a consumer.
The other thing that would be useful to know is a clear return and warranty policy. The items I buy from Amazon without much worry are the ones I know I can return easily, for a product as new and unknown like yours, I’ll probably stand back if I don’t know what the return process works like.
Thanks for responding!
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#615Godspeed to framework! When you have a linux version I'll buy one.
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There are somewhat reliable rumors that intel are doing exactly this big.LITTLE config in the near future. [0] https://wccftech.com/intels-alder-lake-platform-will-introdu...
The reviews on those Intel heterogenous cores were terrible in both battery life and performance. Intel gonna Intel.
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#617Is the webcam upgradable?
We don't currently have any plans for a new version of that module, but it would be upgradeable if we did in the future.
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+1, please consider offering this. A track point and 3 real buttons are so much nicer than a trackpad. At least to some of us. ThinkPads success seems to indicate there are a lot of us.
A touchpad with buttons is something that we have explored, and is in theory a replacement module we can create. Inserting a track point would be much more challenging from a cost and engineering feasibility standpoint. We may have underestimated the level of interest around track point...
As a predominantly windows based user every time I use a mac touchpad I'm blown away the fluidity and features like the psuedo-click. I've been eagerly awaiting windows compatible hardware of the same quality and functionality.
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#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
So an FM2 socket (to pick one of the more reliable ones), which has ~900 pins has a 4.5in^2 area and adds ~.25" in thickness, while reducing the maximum speed you can get through the chip at the very low voltages necessary to run LPDDR, which is what I meant by compromising speed and power. Not to mention that socketting parts reduces your production yield over SMT, increases your assembly cost, and cuts reliability…
Pentium m used to be socketed, pretty reliable, and available for thin laptops. I'm not trying to dismiss the difficulty, just saying they could perhaps be overcome
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How is Linux support?
Pretty good already. I mentioned in another comment that Fedora 34 respins as of this week have full support for the Framework Laptop built in. On Ubuntu 21.04, everything works out of the box except the fingerprint reader, which requires a newer libfprint.