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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Dracophoenix »

dylan604 wrote: post #58
tomComb wrote: post #52

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I find numpad throws off the alignment of the keyboard relative to the touchpad and to the weight of the device. You clearly want a numpad, but I would suggest most users should avoid them, particularly if the will use the laptop on their lap.

I would love to have a 10-key option, and to that end I have attempted using a wireless option. That device however won't even pair to my laptop. I would even be willing to use a wired one, but not enough of me to make it viable for someone to make. So many shortcut keys in my software are missing for a laptop keyboard. Instead, I have to use a full sized external keyboard and carry it around with me instead of just…

What model of keyboard do you carry with you?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by hellbannedguy »

nrp wrote: post #135
koyote wrote: post #133

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So this would put the Framework laptop into the same category as a Thinkpad? My old (8 years) Thinkpad has had: a new battery, a new keyboard (orange juice!), a new screen (upgrade!), new RAM, new HDD and a new charging plug. All of the above were very simple with just a couple of screws to get the back cover off. No adhesive or force needed. Even the screen simply clipped off. The manual also comes with instructions…

It actually would put us in a similar category to Thinkpads from the 2000's and early 2010's, but with modern hardware, a thin and light form factor, an upgradeable mainboard, and customizable ports with Expansion Cards!

I just love hearing customizable ports. I was starting to think we (the tinkerers) lost war.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Dracophoenix »

xpe wrote: post #102
trixie_ wrote: post #65

I like giving people a choice whether they want to buy something repairable/configurable or not. Minimal government intervention. Let the market decide.

Yes, it is nice when people have many choices. History and economics show that markets left to their own devices often give fewer choices than smart combinations of (markets & oversight).

The PC clones of the 80s and 90s beg to differ.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by numpad0 »

metaphor wrote: post #144
numpad0 wrote: post #45

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> Acer Swift 3 SF313-53 Wow, does look almost identical, except renders/photos are showing keyboard for this laptop removed than bottom case for Acer version. To be fair they don’t seem like a huge ripoff in terms of price though, only ~$300 which is more of a simple reality of low volume products.

Had to see for myself[1][2]. Seriously...what are you guys smoking? - topside (primary servicing end) ...and then there's: - frontside (replaceable bezel, magnetic retention) - underside (venting pattern, 6 less securing screws) - keyboard layout (escape, arrows, tilde, backslash, left ctrl, delete) - power button (location, fingerprint reader integration) - peripheral support (modular af, reconfigurable, select your…

Mainboard/logicboard is exactly the same. Left side of the logicboard in the original Acer design is connected via a flex cable, which is where modularity daughterboard goes, which means that that part is custom and probably just a USB-C.

The main opening being on topside as opposed to bottom means the enclosure is custom made. So what.

Overall it’s not something that we are smoking, it’s basic understanding in laptops and modern electronics.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Seirdy »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

One of the biggest causes of (un)planned obsolescence, if not the biggest cause, is an end to firmware and microcode updates. Once they stop coming in, vulnerabilities start piling up.

For how many years can consumers expect to receive these updates?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by numpad0 »

matt_heimer wrote: post #86
emacsen wrote: post #20

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From the web site, the selling point seems to be around this being a "right to repair" laptop. What's a bit unclear to me is that it seems the Framework Laptop is not be under an Open Source license, unlike the Pinebook Pro, the Librem 14 or the MNT Reform- the MNT being the most "user serviceable" as well as most repairable. Is your laptop fully open source, or if not, what makes it special or different from these o…

I'm guessing you haven't worked on many laptops. They aren't meant to be repaired easily in many cases. Want to upgrade the RAM, you need to upgrade both sticks. One is on the bottom side of the motherboard that requires 16 screws be removed and a pry tool to get the bottom case off. The second stick is under the keyboard that requires multiple levels of plastic pieces to be pried off and disconnecting the keyboard c…

> Want to upgrade the RAM, you need to upgrade both sticks.

No. Single channel configuration is slower, unnoticeably on laptops, that’s it.

> One is on the bottom side of the motherboard that requires 16 screws be removed and a pry tool to get the bottom case off.

Wrong choice of laptop brand.

> The second stick is under the keyboard that requires multiple levels of plastic pieces to be pried off and disconnecting the keyboard cable which can barely be reached. Want to swap the battery? That's 16 screws and enough force to break the adhesion that you are bending the case. Plus the system will complain about the battery

Again, wrong choice of laptop brand. Panasonic? Theirs are good as long as you only repair and don’t fiddle with it.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by marilyn2 »

This is great! Was about to order an XPS or Thinkpad but think I'll go with this instead! How many external displays does it support? Would I need thunderbolt (would that just be a $9 adapter???)? I'd like to connect at least 3 external displays (so 4 total screens including the laptop). Is that possible? Thanks!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dorfsmay »

nrp wrote: post #159
vzaliva wrote: post #151

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Does this implies I will need to pay Microsoft tax even if I am planning to run Linux?

The Framework Laptop DIY Edition ships without an OS license of any kind. If you want a pre-built Framework Laptop, that does include the cost of a Windows license. The DIY Edition is super easy to set up though: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Framework+Laptop+DIY+Edition...

Thanks.
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