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Post by jdsully »

ribit wrote: post #396
tomxor wrote: post #345

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> In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM [.....] You simply can’t have this with socketed RAM. You make it sound like a prerequisite. I'm pretty sure the reason LPDDR is Low Power is not due to (currently) being unavailable in socketed modules - that would seem to be a side-effect of the original target market (smart phones). They are just some BGA packages, I see no reason they couldn't b…

LPDDR is low power because it is a more sophisticated device with more complex protocol compared to regular DDR, because it has a higher pinout allowing it to have a more efficient electrical connection and because the computer manufacturer can optimize the connection with specific chips in mind instead of having to support a wide range of devices. I think the number of pins is a practical limitation. Current DDR DIM…

You can't compare balls on the BGA package to signal pins. The vast majority of these are for power and ground. LPDDR4 actually has fewer data lines than DDR4.

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Post by nrp »

culopatin wrote: post #444
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Do you have a comparison of battery runtime with each config?

We've tested MobileMark 2018 at ~11 hours on the Base config, dropping to ~10 hours on the Professional config (due to more DRAM). Runtime will always depend on workload though.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Multicomp »

oldandboring wrote: post #559
morganvachon wrote: post #416

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> Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon ... You're just throwing names out there without even knowing what you're talking about. The very first generation X1 Carbon came with soldered RAM and no upgrade path, and that hasn't changed yet. I know this because I've owned several generations of that laptop. I just checked Wikipedia to back u…

A better example would probably be the Lenovo T-series. Recent models eg. T490s have soldered RAM, but if you go back to eg. T460s there were DIMM sockets for upgrading, and the laptop was quite thin. But, that was 5 years ago already.

I too am dismayed by how older models of thin laptops lost DIMM sockets for increasingly diminishing amounts of thickness removed.

I ended up going with the below because I wanted a 360 degree touchscreen Ryzen laptop that I could upgrade the HD and RAM...and I felt like I was searching for a needle in a haystack. Shame on you Dell for never offering Ryzen in your convertibles. Shame on you HP for soldering RAM in your new Elitebook line.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ProBook-x360-435-G7-laptop-...

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Post by nrp »

stkdump wrote: post #266
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Does the extra connector reduce the quality of the USB-C signal? I am asking because my current notebook seems already a bit flaky with a 4K 60Hz display connected via USB-C, especially with an extra docking station in between. DP and HDMI directly from the notebook seem a bit more stable.

There is a small amount of signal loss from the extra connector pair. This is normally fine, but if your monitor+cable situation is already flaky, there is potentially risk there. We would recommend picking up a cable designed to higher protocol standards or using a shorter cable if you see issues.

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Post by nrp »

busymom0 wrote: post #419
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

This is outstanding. One question - I really wish there was a way to remove the camera as well as microphone (if there's any built in). Is that possible?

We have hardware kill switches for both the camera and the microphone. You can actually also remove that module entirely if you'd like. We published a guide on how to replace the webcam (so you would just stop after the removal steps): https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Webcam+Replacement+Guide/87?...

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Post by nrp »

fsflover wrote: post #448
busymom0 wrote: post #419

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This is outstanding. One question - I really wish there was a way to remove the camera as well as microphone (if there's any built in). Is that possible?

Consider Librem 14 laptop instead, it has hardware kill switches. By the way, I wish this laptop had them too.

Good news! We do have hardware kill switches for both the camera and microphone: https://frame.work/blog/1080p-webcam

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Post by jdc0589 »

Aachen wrote: post #575
arendtio wrote: post #565

I really like the replaceable USB-C ports. From my smartphone I know, these things wear-off when being used multiple times per day and being able to simply replace them is much more useful than it might look like at first sight.

I hear this a lot but only from people with USB-C. Sure, on occasion you'd also hear someone who broke their mobile micro-USB or even USB-A laptop ports, but usually that was from bending the connector accidentally if I remember correctly. As someone with zero problems finding the correct orientation (it's both tactile and visual) who is in the market for a new phone, makes me wonder if I should look for one with mic…

im on year two with a USB-c phone and the only issue I have is having to pick pocket lint out of it every couple of months.

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Post by nrp »

baybal2 wrote: post #323
nrp wrote: post #234

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I noted in another comment that we partnered with Compal as our main manufacturer, as they are one of the strongest notebook manufacturers currently and they believe in our mission. For many of the other modules, we've partnered with other manufacturers specialized in different areas. We have a series of technical deep dive blog posts where we go into each: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-deep-divethe-touchp…

How do you connect the keyboard? I see the cable from the keyboard in the upper lid not going directly to the main PCB, but first to the same board as the touchpad. Is there some IC scanning the keyboard right in the keyboard module, and turning it to something like usb or i2c?

The touchpad PCB acts as a passive signal passthrough for both the keyboard and the fingerprint reader, so that we can have a single cable going from the Input Cover to the mainboard.
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