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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal?

Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

I am out of question-answering time for the day, but will respond tomorrow to anything new that comes up. Thanks everyone for the thoughtful questions, interest in what we're building, and belief in our mission!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by squarefoot »

This is fantastic! The pluggable module concept makes it even more appealing. I can easily see a lot of development going in modules for various tasks (multi i/o audio/midi card, A/D signal analyzer/scope front end, LoRa transceiver, ECG analog interface, etc.) so that "only" 4 ports might one day even become a limitation. Seriously considering one. They will need to arrange with some resellers in the EU however, or shipping+import taxes could make it too costly.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by victor9000 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #261
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

victor9000 wrote: post #264
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

>RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades.

Of course, but most consumers outside of tech enthusiasts have no idea which stuff in their laptop is upgradable, even when it is, so they just buy a new device whenever they want to upgrade, because that's how they've been conditioned by the industry.

>It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

Let's not give Tesla any ideas now. Joking aside, your comparison is not apples to apples. You can't easily upgrade the engine of your car from a four cylinder to a V8 if you need more power down the line, can you? Come to think of it, even upgrading the multimedia unit is a hassle in modern cars as each unit is locked to its production vehicle. On this note, when do we go after car manufacturers for this anti-consumer practice?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by stkdump »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Does the extra connector reduce the quality of the USB-C signal? I am asking because my current notebook seems already a bit flaky with a 4K 60Hz display connected via USB-C, especially with an extra docking station in between. DP and HDMI directly from the notebook seem a bit more stable.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by spijdar »

victor9000 wrote: post #264
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

Does the analogy really work, though? Is RAM more akin to tires or some other component like the fuel tank?

I'd argue existence of interchangeable commodity components in computing has been very abnormal and because of the direction the "computer market" is going, I'm not sure how much longer it'll persist.

For now, it's still most profitable for the manufacturers and OEMs to source cheap interchangeable parts from many sources. If the industry consolidates even more, though, it may be more profitable to vertically integrate. That was the way before the PC clone market. Hopefully not, but we'll see.

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