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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by sydd »

victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

Its great, but I really don't understand why they cannot ship outside like 2 countries (?). Its always such a let down to see a company in 2021 that doesn't offer worldwide shipping, and sells its products just in the usual 2-3 countries (USA, Canada, maybe UK).

At least give some FAQ with reasons or ETA when you will be shipping outside the US

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by vimacs2 »

wayoutthere wrote: post #407
tomxor wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM [.....] You simply can’t have this with socketed RAM. You make it sound like a prerequisite. I'm pretty sure the reason LPDDR is Low Power is not due to (currently) being unavailable in socketed modules - that would seem to be a side-effect of the original target market (smart phones). They are just some BGA packages, I see no reason they couldn't b…

There’s no technical reason not to (I’m no EE but I’m sure it could be done somehow), but there’s no demand for removable memory. The entire consumer PC market is already a rounding error for the semiconductor industry, and the enthusiast market that would be interested in this is a very small portion of that market. Like it or not, repairable/upgradable laptops are a thing of the past. There’s just not component sup…

Way overstating your case. PC's might be on the decline but they are still far far from being a "rounding error for the semiconductor industry".

Laptops also make up a major component of that still very alive market so no, I disagree that there is not enough market demand for having laptops that can be repaired or upgraded. It's the industry themselves that have worked to hamper the right of repair while giving nebulous pseudo-technical rationalizations for it.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Karsteski »

thefr0g wrote: post #322

Are there other companies doing similiar projects? This is a good step in the right direction but there are some major drawbacks for me: - 3:2 screen makes the laptop bigger and adds space thats pretty much useless except for video editing I guess - No option without camera, mic and fingerprint reader - Intel CPU - Thin instead of robust - American company

I had a surface pro throughout university and I found 3:2 to be perfect for productivity. Also it's nice to be able to see more code if you're into that.

Why don't you like that they are American?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by james_pm »

jarcane wrote: post #297
hughrr wrote: post #288

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Realistically 99% of the corporate and consumer laptops I have been party to are built to order with the right amount of RAM in and never upgraded. Those of us who actually upgrade are an insignificant minority at this point or pulling them out of the ex corp recycling lifecycle. Another point is stuff that is soldered in is a lot more reliable as a whole. Amazing how many old machines can be resurrected by reseating…

The Framework's ports are all on user-selectable, replaceable expansion modules. If one of the USB-C ports dies, you just unplug it and install a new one.

AKA square, flushmount dongles.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by rvanlaar »

Const-me wrote: post #365
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #155

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You seem to be misinformed. Everyone loves to hate Intel (and rightfully so) but Tiger Lake has better IPC and implicitly better single threaded performance than Ryzen. In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) it often comes on top of AMD. It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks because of the lower core count (everyone loves to flex Cinebench scores online, but I buy my laptop to use, not run ben…

> In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) My real-world task is not opening an IDE, it’s using that IDE. Modern C++ compilers are using all available CPU cores just fine. > It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks These are the only workloads I care about. Not just compilation, many other things as well. You only need single-threaded performance for 2 things, for the stuff that’s inherently serial…

For gzip, try pigz. It's the parallel version of it.

I used to want high single core performance for my python code. I've since switched to using VSCode with devcontainers which run remotely on my 5950x. That makes it fast enough ;-).

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by abledon »

nrp wrote: post #48
Dracophoenix wrote: post #41

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1) What are the chances of a 15.6 inch version with a numpad or should I not hold my breath? 2) Are dGPUs expected in the this or an upcoming version? 3) Color options other than white? 4a) Does the keyboard use low-profile Cherry switches or something else? (Edited) 4b) Are the keys backlit? (Edited) 5) ETA on TB4 ports? 6) Is there a 99Wh battery for the laptop?

1) We can't announce anything yet, but our current 13.5" Framework Laptop will certainly not be the last product we ever build! 2) See question 1. 3) We've designed the bezel to be color customizable, and there are some photos of orange and white ones on our website. We'll be adding more colors as we go. For the chassis itself, it is anodized aluminum. We don't currently have plans for additional aluminum colors thou…

I love how you are actually mentioning the 1.5mm key travel.... on so many other laptop review sites, and manufacturer sites, they don't list the key travel. It is infuriating when shopping for laptops.

To hear it has a generous 1.5mm is awesome, i'll definitely be keeping an eye on it in the near future for the 15" version.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by vimacs2 »

morganvachon wrote: post #416
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #294

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>What a bunch of nonsense. These are tiny laptops, and every bit of space inside is used. Soldering on RAM chips is an obvious optimization to make the laptop thinner. THIS is nonsense. Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon and LIFEBOOK series come to mind). Just recently they abandoned this and moved to soldering everything. The Framewo…

> Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon ... You're just throwing names out there without even knowing what you're talking about. The very first generation X1 Carbon came with soldered RAM and no upgrade path, and that hasn't changed yet. I know this because I've owned several generations of that laptop. I just checked Wikipedia to back u…

I would point out though that while he might have been wrong on the X1 Carbon, you still have not really dismantled the key argument - that you don't need to embrace soldered RAM to get laptops that are thin enough. At a certain point, you're just going to end up with an experience that is objectively worse since keyboards start having more and more give the thinner you make them (not to mention far worse feel).

I'd make the trade off for more mm of thickness anyway.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Karsteski »

sydd wrote: post #421
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

Its great, but I really don't understand why they cannot ship outside like 2 countries (?). Its always such a let down to see a company in 2021 that doesn't offer worldwide shipping, and sells its products just in the usual 2-3 countries (USA, Canada, maybe UK). At least give some FAQ with reasons or ETA when you will be shipping outside the US

They are working on EU right now. I imagine it's quite difficult for a startup to get licensing and shipping logistics done for multiple countries, and since NA is their biggest and easiest to target market, that's usually where they start.

I understand your frustration. I'm from the Caribbean, we get nothing, ever :`)

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