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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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nrp wrote: post #42
tedk-42 wrote: post #36

Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (…

Thanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.

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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dorfsmay »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Any chance for a keyboard with a trackpoint and its 3 buttons in the future?

A lot of us, addicted to the trackpoint, are not liking some directions Lenovo have taken in the recent years.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ben-schaaf »

justicezyx wrote: post #5
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

How does this compare to Mac nook m1 and air?

If you want to repair or change anything on an M1 macbook you'd need to desolder components off the motherboard and then also own a spare M1 macbook for donor parts because you can't buy them separately.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

mrleinad wrote: post #43
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Any plans for a different keyboard layout? I see you have planned for different languages, but I didn't see different layouts.

We currently have ANSI and ISO layouts for languages, and JIS coming soon. Within this form factor, those are likely what we are limited to.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by bscphil »

lstamour wrote: post #47
bscphil wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can find, the documentation on the screen just says it covers 100% of the sRGB gamut. That's nice, but do you have an example of a calibration profile that shows the full gamut coverage? It would be nice to compare it to Adobe RGB and P3 gamuts. Is the screen HDR or 10 bit input capable?

Not affiliated with Framework Laptop, but I’ll reply anyway. It’s been my experience that when only sRGB is mentioned, only sRGB is supported. Adobe RGB is relatively rare these days, and any amount of P3 or HDR support is common only in higher end laptops with either very bright backlights or OLED. You might be interested in a new standard, DisplayHDR, which commonly focuses on how bright and technically accurate a…

> It’s been my experience that when only sRGB is mentioned, only sRGB is supported.

I suspect this as well, especially at the price point the Framework laptop is being offered, but that's why I'm asking. I feel that manufacturers providing a approximate gamut coverage plot would be an enormous improvement to the status quo.

> any amount of P3 or HDR support is common only in higher end laptops

I disagree with this point. The MacBook Air (at $1000) is advertised to have P3 coverage. That's the exact same price (for a shipped laptop) as Framework. It also has HDR support.

> Also, as a correction, as long as you’re not performing colour grading on footage, you don’t need 10-bit input or output for HDR.

I'm aware - that's why I asked about HDR and 10 bit support separately. Worth mentioning that a bunch of cheap panels only really support 6 bits which then gets dithered, though. You're right that 8 bits in probably sufficient at the 400 nits brightness of the Framework screen.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

nightski wrote: post #33
luke2m wrote: post #18

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Almost every thin and light laptop on the market these days looks like a macbook replica. And iirc, macs have a 16:10 display.

It's such a tired design. I think the goals of this project is fantastic but man the macbook is getting ugly. They really need a refresh. It feels like it has been over a decade now...

Serious question: what would you expect/want in a design refresh? I'm speaking just of the industrial design, not the number and kinds of ports and such.

I'm curious because while I've also thought "yeah, these are increasingly overdue for an updated look," it's hard in practice for me to think of changes that I'd really want. I'm typing this on an M1 MacBook Air, and...I'm not saying it's somehow reached the apex of perfection, but other than a wider range of colors there's nothing that immediately comes to mind as an answer to "I wish the Air had [thing]". Smaller bezels? Maybe, but it's not like they're a glaring huge problem. A different shape? Maybe, but again, this is just such a nice one. They could bring in more of the current iPad/iPhone design language, especially on the MacBook Pro rather than the Air, I guess -- which is widely expected for the next refresh, so you'll probably get your wish in that regard.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

creese wrote: post #59
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Can the USB4 expansion card transmit data at 40Gbps? Do you have any plans for Thunderbolt 4?

The USB-C Expansion Card is purely passive passthrough designed to minimize signal loss and voltage drop, so it depends on the capabilities of the specific mainboard. The current mainboard does support 40Gbps through that card. For Thunderbolt, we can't state anything yet until we complete certifications.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

binarycrusader wrote: post #40
geophile wrote: post #37

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Why a 3:2 display? That is an extremely odd choice. I used 4:3 displays for years, and was very pleased when wider displays became available.

Why not? Microsoft Surface devices also have a 3:2 display. Personally I love 3:2 displays as vertical space makes for a far more pleasant experience programming and reading.

Yep! The better experience for writing and coding with more vertical real estate is why we chose it. It also gave us a better form factor to work with for enabling our Expansion Card system.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by techrat »

viraptor wrote: post #24
wmf wrote: post #15

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So many laptops are copying Apple that it's no longer notable.

Copying elements - sure. But I've never seen one before where I though - this is an Apple product.

If you were confused by the Framework Laptop and thought it was an Apple Product...

and I mean this sincerely...

Get your eyes checked.

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