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Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#51
post #14

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In my book you lose the right to not be called a scumbag when you start acting like a scumbag. Blocking me without comment for asking a legitimate question which is not in violation of the code of conduct is the act of a scumbag. If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

If I thought that telemetry was no big deal, and my response to you was "stop being such a cry baby and get a life", you'd probably and quite rightly take offence. In order to have a civil discussion about issues which can be emotive, one has to keep their feelings "in check" and put themselves in the other side's shoes. Even if you disagree, you don't need to resort to name calling.

>In order to have a civil discussion about issues which can be emotive, one has to keep their feelings "in check" and put themselves in the other side's shoes

That's an excellent point.

So, for example, in this vein, as a maintainer of a large FOSS project, it would seem to be prudent to not assume bad faith and block people without any comment when they ask a legitimate question.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#52
post #42

The company behind Audacity has been doing some absolutely abhorrent things (e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27891005 ). These deserve to be pointed out on HN because they are abnormal and unprecedented. This is not one of those things. The person submitting this link to HN posted a snarky rhetorical question—while it made a fair point from my perspective, it certainly wasn’t a constructive comment, and I…

I'd love it if people would stop assuming it was a rhetorical question in bad faith. I have addressed this multiple times already. It was not rhetorical.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#53
post #32

I'll be honest, if someone described me as "scumbags who have tried to turn into spyware" on the issue tracker for a project I maintain, I'd probably block them too. That kind of language really doesn't achieve anything, and any issue-tracker is better off without it.

Exactly. Disagreement, even a stronge disagreement with peoples opinions or actions does not require or even permit personal attacks. I do like changes done to audcity, but I dislike calling people "scumbags" or stuff like that.

Would replacing scumbags with fuckers work for you?

Because shipping people to CCP for criticizing you, is scumbags at minimum.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#55
post #14
post #9

No doubt I’ll be voted down, but… if you’re going to ask for mature, open discussions, perhaps you ought to also avoid labeling those on the other side of the discussion as “scumbags”. I’m not a fan of Audacity’s current tracking kerfluffle, but this response swings the pendulum too far in the other direction.

In my book you lose the right to not be called a scumbag when you start acting like a scumbag. Blocking me without comment for asking a legitimate question which is not in violation of the code of conduct is the act of a scumbag. If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

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Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#56
post #30

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> what are you trying to accomplish here? Raising awareness of censorship

It's not censorship. Your comments are still there to be read. They've just decided not to engage with you further. Free speech also includes freedom from speech.

you can quibble over semantics if you want.

s/censorship/shitfuckery/g

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#57
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my book you lose the right to not be called a scumbag when you start acting like a scumbag. Blocking me without comment for asking a legitimate question which is not in violation of the code of conduct is the act of a scumbag. If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

>If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin. This is a common quip when somebody emotional about a topic wants to boil it down to formal argument (despite their own use of emotional rhetoric) - it's a declaration of the intention to use the guise of debate as an excuse to reject any part of the conversation that isn't 100% objective. It comes off as superior and hostile, and signals that you aren't open t…

I'm legit open to hearing from people who want to argue that "scumbag" isn't an appropriate and accurate description of a person who engages in this behaviour. I would be genuinely curious to hear the logic behind such an assessment.

> Maybe none of this applies to you

I appreciate the benefit of the doubt :)

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#58
post #13

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Just closing the issue with no further comment on such an important allegation is not good though. I know my wife recently installed Audacity; I'm going to scramble to figure out what the state of this is now. Thanks Antisol for bringing it to my attention!

Executive Summary: 3.0.2 is "safe"; further versions TBD.

Appreciated!

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#59
Here's an interesting read on the subject of telemetry in Audacity: https://www.reddit.com/r/audacity/comments/of0b4s/breakdown_...

Telemetry is used for the kind of boring stuff most devs would expect: reporting on exceptions so that bugs can be investigated.

As the thread points out, Audacity is still open-source so you can audit the codebase if you'd like.

There's certainly no "spyware" code in there that's logging keystrokes or turning on your webcam.

I'm sure anyone who develops software understands why it's useful to get logs when your software catches exceptions.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

#60

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Hey they have the option to answer the OG question. They chose not to. Their behaviour the is one in bad faith to begin with. 1. Ask a legit question 2. Ban If that is not bad faith...

What... you expect someone who is obviously carefully weighing the words they use to reply with "yes, I'm being forced to this! Send help, the boss is evil!!"? No... you wouldn't get answer even it were true. What does it look like under the assumption that there just isn't a grand conspiracy? I. e. the person on Github just isn't the only person working at audacity and is careful not to make promises they can't keep…

>What... you expect someone who is obviously carefully weighing the words they use to reply with "yes, I'm being forced to this! Send help, the boss is evil!!"?

No, I was trying to gauge whether the community agreed with my reading, or if I was being too paranoid in my interpretation.

>No... you wouldn't get answer even it were true.

Not from the maintainer, but I was asking the community.

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