Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions • Hacker News Board

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by dkdbejwi383 » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

antisol wrote: post #14

kadams54 wrote: post #9

No doubt I’ll be voted down, but… if you’re going to ask for mature, open discussions, perhaps you ought to also avoid labeling those on the other side of the discussion as “scumbags”. I’m not a fan of Audacity’s current tracking kerfluffle, but this response swings the pendulum too far in the other direction.

In my book you lose the right to not be called a scumbag when you start acting like a scumbag. Blocking me without comment for asking a legitimate question which is not in violation of the code of conduct is the act of a scumbag. If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

If I thought that telemetry was no big deal, and my response to you was "stop being such a cry baby and get a life", you'd probably and quite rightly take offence.

In order to have a civil discussion about issues which can be emotive, one has to keep their feelings "in check" and put themselves in the other side's shoes. Even if you disagree, you don't need to resort to name calling.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by maverwa » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #11

I'll be honest, if someone described me as "scumbags who have tried to turn into spyware" on the issue tracker for a project I maintain, I'd probably block them too. That kind of language really doesn't achieve anything, and any issue-tracker is better off without it.

Exactly. Disagreement, even a stronge disagreement with peoples opinions or actions does not require or even permit personal attacks. I do like changes done to audcity, but I dislike calling people "scumbags" or stuff like that.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by antisol » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #19

The "question" is just rhetorical, asking for confirmation of the worst possible way to interpret something. As such, it's close to the definition of assuming bad faith , and itself hard to interpret as an attempt to resolve anything constructively.

The question was absolutely not rhetorical.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

There’s a million things to get flustered about on the Internet, but I don’t think this is one of them.

Unless I’m confused, like it or not, they don’t owe anyone anything (including a decent/nice response).

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by martimarkov » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #19

The "question" is just rhetorical, asking for confirmation of the worst possible way to interpret something. As such, it's close to the definition of assuming bad faith , and itself hard to interpret as an attempt to resolve anything constructively.

Hey they have the option to answer the OG question. They chose not to. Their behaviour the is one in bad faith to begin with.

1. Ask a legit question 2. Ban

If that is not bad faith...

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by dkdbejwi383 » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

antisol wrote: post #30

TameAntelope wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, the tone you struck in the submission here would have resulted in a removal of your comment on any platform I've moderated in my years on the Internet. Constructive criticism is completely fair, but your entitled tone both on GitHub and here on HN, is inappropriate. I'm not at all surprised your issue was removed and you were banned temporarily. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? I…

> what are you trying to accomplish here? Raising awareness of censorship

It's not censorship. Your comments are still there to be read. They've just decided not to engage with you further. Free speech also includes freedom from speech.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by happytoexplain » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

antisol wrote: post #14

kadams54 wrote: post #9

No doubt I’ll be voted down, but… if you’re going to ask for mature, open discussions, perhaps you ought to also avoid labeling those on the other side of the discussion as “scumbags”. I’m not a fan of Audacity’s current tracking kerfluffle, but this response swings the pendulum too far in the other direction.

In my book you lose the right to not be called a scumbag when you start acting like a scumbag. Blocking me without comment for asking a legitimate question which is not in violation of the code of conduct is the act of a scumbag. If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

>If you'd like to debate me on this point, please begin.

This is a common quip when somebody emotional about a topic wants to boil it down to formal argument (despite their own use of emotional rhetoric) - it's a declaration of the intention to use the guise of debate as an excuse to reject any part of the conversation that isn't 100% objective. It comes off as superior and hostile, and signals that you aren't open to discussion. Maybe none of this applies to you, but your wording is a huge red flag.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by TameAntelope » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

antisol wrote: post #30

TameAntelope wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, the tone you struck in the submission here would have resulted in a removal of your comment on any platform I've moderated in my years on the Internet. Constructive criticism is completely fair, but your entitled tone both on GitHub and here on HN, is inappropriate. I'm not at all surprised your issue was removed and you were banned temporarily. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? I…

> what are you trying to accomplish here? Raising awareness of censorship

In life, we choose which battles are important and which aren't worth the effort.

I'm not sure I'd personally have chosen, "Private organization on a private platform has 'censored' my snarky comment." as a battle worth fighting (though I do sympathize, it does not feel good to be ignored), but I am not you.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by antisol » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #22

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #11

I'll be honest, if someone described me as "scumbags who have tried to turn into spyware" on the issue tracker for a project I maintain, I'd probably block them too. That kind of language really doesn't achieve anything, and any issue-tracker is better off without it.

If you see the post from geofft, it could be argued the person filling in the issue was being precise and correct. To make it clear, this would be them not you :-)

That would indeed be my argument.

Re: Audacity's team is censoring legitimate questions

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Post by antisol » Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

sundvor wrote: post #13

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #11

I'll be honest, if someone described me as "scumbags who have tried to turn into spyware" on the issue tracker for a project I maintain, I'd probably block them too. That kind of language really doesn't achieve anything, and any issue-tracker is better off without it.

Just closing the issue with no further comment on such an important allegation is not good though. I know my wife recently installed Audacity; I'm going to scramble to figure out what the state of this is now. Thanks Antisol for bringing it to my attention!

This is precisely why I created this issue. My mission is now accomplished. I very much appreciate your thanks :)