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Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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My shield updated to this the other day. I'm pretty furious about it, it's not a cheap device, and it's certainly not Google's. To be adding these "features" without asking, irrespective of whatever agreement between me, Nvidia or Google exists, is ridiculous. I know it's in whatever terms I, uh, "accepted", but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Fortunately, I know how to use ADB and just installed ano…

>but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Yes there is. Absolutely no closed software ever. That's the rule you use. Even the modem on the phone I'm typing this on is running FOSS firmware. Don't compromise your freedom for convenience, you always end up with neither when you do.

It's delusional to think you have an absolute choice in this matter. Of course at any one point in time you can always chose to pick options that make a slightly different trade-off between convenience and freedom than the mainstream. But a few years into a strong persistent trend in society at large, even a tin-foil hat, self-flagellating setup will be offering you far less freedom than experienced some years back by someone who always chose convenience over freedom.

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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post #29

I strongly prefer the Apple TV UI approach over all the rest. The whole content recommendation view is contained withing the Apple TV application, instead of the home screen. The home screen gives me an unsullied grid of applications. If I want to have the content recommendation view be my default, the settings gives me the option of defaulting to it instead of the home screen.

You can't even compare an Apple TV With the Shield Pro, in software, in hardware and in features.

Can you run a Plex server on the Apple TV? HW SD upscaling? Game streaming from a PC with an Nvidia card? Access the filesystem, access USB attached storage?

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher. I think a lot of people will jump ship to third party launchers because of this, though, and the damage will be done. Then we just wait for an HN post about thousands of Shield devices being hacked because users installed launchers from who knows where.

>My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher I don't see that they have a choice. Nobody is going to pay for a premium device that shoves ads in your face. Roku has ads, but they are less aggressive, so I imagine they would start picking up Nvidea customers. The bad review bombing hit both nVidea apps and Google's AndroidTV launcher pretty hard: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.teg...…

> I don't see that they have a choice. Nobody is going to pay for a premium device that shoves ads in your face. Roku has ads, but they are less aggressive, so I imagine they would start picking up Nvidea customers.

They don't have a choice in that the contract they signed with Google for their OS prohibits them from doing so.

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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>Yes there is. Absolutely no closed software ever. That's the rule you use. Even the modem on the phone I'm typing this on is running FOSS firmware. Don't compromise your freedom for convenience, you always end up with neither when you do. I don't think I understand fully the point you're trying to make. How does free and open source software prevent a software developer from inserting the code necessary for behavior…

Use a Intel NUC or similar device instead of a Nvidia Shield and it will offer more functionality without ads. TV streaming, Games streaming from local network at least, music... A closed environment doesn't allow for competition, so they will monetize it to the greatest degree. That would include ads. Android TV is really bad spyware for that matter... surprised it can even exist with Google TV having flopped that h…

It will offer much poorer compatibility with streaming services, because most streaming services do not trust the DRM on a NUC for high quality content.

(Correctly, tbh).

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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My shield updated to this the other day. I'm pretty furious about it, it's not a cheap device, and it's certainly not Google's. To be adding these "features" without asking, irrespective of whatever agreement between me, Nvidia or Google exists, is ridiculous. I know it's in whatever terms I, uh, "accepted", but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Fortunately, I know how to use ADB and just installed ano…

I think people here need to realize that in terms of preference, they are massive outliers. While you can conceptualize recommendations for things you have not bought as Ads, there is likely no money changing hands here for these to displayed. And most people actually like these features: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/19/22580720/android-tv-watch...

At least in the UK there are four recommendations in the top row, and two are explicitly marked with an "Ad" logo, so they are definitely paid ads.

(I agree broadly users do not care, but some of these are definitely paid, placed advertisements by Google.)

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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post #23

My shield updated to this the other day. I'm pretty furious about it, it's not a cheap device, and it's certainly not Google's. To be adding these "features" without asking, irrespective of whatever agreement between me, Nvidia or Google exists, is ridiculous. I know it's in whatever terms I, uh, "accepted", but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Fortunately, I know how to use ADB and just installed ano…

>but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Yes there is. Absolutely no closed software ever. That's the rule you use. Even the modem on the phone I'm typing this on is running FOSS firmware. Don't compromise your freedom for convenience, you always end up with neither when you do.

Which phone is that?

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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post #282
post #29

I strongly prefer the Apple TV UI approach over all the rest. The whole content recommendation view is contained withing the Apple TV application, instead of the home screen. The home screen gives me an unsullied grid of applications. If I want to have the content recommendation view be my default, the settings gives me the option of defaulting to it instead of the home screen.

You can't even compare an Apple TV With the Shield Pro, in software, in hardware and in features. Can you run a Plex server on the Apple TV? HW SD upscaling? Game streaming from a PC with an Nvidia card? Access the filesystem, access USB attached storage?

At least game streaming works just as well with Moonlight. Everything else you mentioned are very nieche usecases for most users. (I say that as somebody running a Plex server myself).

Re: Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a Intel NUC or similar device instead of a Nvidia Shield and it will offer more functionality without ads. TV streaming, Games streaming from local network at least, music... A closed environment doesn't allow for competition, so they will monetize it to the greatest degree. That would include ads. Android TV is really bad spyware for that matter... surprised it can even exist with Google TV having flopped that h…

It will offer much poorer compatibility with streaming services, because most streaming services do not trust the DRM on a NUC for high quality content. (Correctly, tbh).

It works with Edge mostly, but that speaks only against Netflix and Amazon DRM. I don't want to get compatible to that. Subjective, but the content isn't worth it in the first place.

(Correctly, tbh) - It is still a service problem.

I think at least Amazon fixed it in the meantime, I can play 4k without problems.

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