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Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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> "doesn't seem to give a damn when criminal enterprises operating in their borders victimize people in other countries."

None of these seem to be criminal enterprises… also you think adware is unique to Israel and Russia?

This isn't adware. These are targeted hacks involving zero days, that install spyware on victim's phones. This isn't BonziBuddy.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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That's why I keep it simple. I run things out of a closet with an air gaped computer, a single printer, and a gun...in case the printer starts acting suspicious.

> a single printer You've already lost, then. Printers' output can be uniquely identified. Nothing should ever be in dead-tree format. If you need to carry something that does not need electricity to display text, use eInk. Or build your own printer.

Older printers don't add identification to printed pages. I don't remember the exact year but I think the rule of thumb is that anything from the 80's or older is safe.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Operate like what?

> "doesn't seem to give a damn when criminal enterprises operating in their borders victimize people in other countries."

I remember the same issue came up a while ago on HN in relation to Israeli sports betting/gambling companies.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

Several state governments in Australia recently had to enact special legislation to stop law enforcement from using covid tracking data to find witnesses and suspects. All state governments had initially ensured the public that the data was not available to LE, but none of them had actually passed legislation to make it unlawful until journalists discovered that the Police were using the data. https://www.afr.com/pol…

In Germany every piece of data you collect has to specifiy as narrow as possible what it is being collected for before you collect it. Using pandemic related data for policing is a data privacy violation.

Of course that didn't stop police from still going into some places and demanding the data. But doing so was a clear breach of law.

Every piece of personal data you collect creates a pull factor for various actors to abuse said data, which is why you shouldn't collect more than you need, you should delete (or anon/pseudonymize) it once it is not needed anymore or you should collect it in such a way ot wouldn't be useful for state actors.

I am amazed how the German Corona-Warn-App was designed with these principles in mind. They managed to allow people to register into locations while only storing the data locally on your phone. Your phone then downloads the data from the servers in an non-revealing way and queries it for warnings/positive cases that have been issued in these locations at that time. If yes, you get a warning and you can decide how to proceed with this without having any other actor knowing of this.

This software is a piece of art from a privacy standpoint.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#145

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Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

Several state governments in Australia recently had to enact special legislation to stop law enforcement from using covid tracking data to find witnesses and suspects. All state governments had initially ensured the public that the data was not available to LE, but none of them had actually passed legislation to make it unlawful until journalists discovered that the Police were using the data. https://www.afr.com/pol…

Canadian police departments got caught for this also (Ontario iirc)

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#147

Can't read due to the paywall. Can anyone share the tech side of this? Did they get full access to the victims' systems? How much of this was Social Engineering?

Nevermind. Found some old and new reports about it:

https://citizenlab.ca/2018/09/hide-and-seek-tracking-nso-gro...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2021/07/forensic-...

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

It's been suspected that enforcing the lockdown was a way to get rid of protests, for instance in Algeria.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Why would anyone sue or arrest them? They develop the software, they do not break into the phones of journalists. The article says that the governmental agencies are breaking into the phone. These hacking companies just license their software to these governmental agencies.

Try to sell ransomware programs and sell support contracts and then see what happens. It is illegal to provide assistance in the commitance of a crime even if you're not the one that pulls the trigger.

If you sell it in accordance to your state regulations, I guess there will be no problem.

Isn't that basically the same as selling weapons?

(I would appreciate if no worker of the rank would accept to collaborate with manufacturing any form of weapons, but we are well past the point where lay people make their own mind about these things)

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

When you get a government contract in this and similar fields, it usually comes with protection against most laws, no matter which ones are broken and where (see "Blackwater").

But these contracts are with foreign governments.
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