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Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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I’m currently reading Nicole Pelroth’s book “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends”, which has a big section on the NSO Group and the Pegasus Project. If even part of what she uncovered is true, then digital privacy is effectively non-existent.

I finished the book last month. It is extremely well researched….and scary!

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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post #101

That's why I keep it simple. I run things out of a closet with an air gaped computer, a single printer, and a gun...in case the printer starts acting suspicious.

> a single printer You've already lost, then. Printers' output can be uniquely identified. Nothing should ever be in dead-tree format. If you need to carry something that does not need electricity to display text, use eInk. Or build your own printer.

Some can, not all. Also, many printers are cheap, so if you are worried about this just buy them used and change them periodically. Good luck tracking someone down who bought their printer off Craig's list or at a pawn shop.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

... Are you serious? Did you just wake up from a 20 month nap?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "doesn't seem to give a damn when criminal enterprises operating in their borders victimize people in other countries."

None of these seem to be criminal enterprises… also you think adware is unique to Israel and Russia?

1. Helping people murder journalists is a crime.

2. You say 'adware', while Wikipedia says: "These software items are commonly browser toolbars, adware, browser hijackers, spyware, and malware."

3. I provided two examples of countries that operate like this, not a comprehensive list. I gave the second example to make clear that I was not claiming only one country operates like this. I already clarified this for you.

I don't think you are commenting in good faith. I will not respond to you again, even this response was doubtlessly a waste of my time.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

It may be better for me to rephrase this part of my post like this:

> ""public health" is now likely to be a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too"

I don't have any specific examples, but this article gives a good gist of what might be at stake. [1]

I think this is a key quote

> "The Snowden disclosures came twelve years after the initial implementation of the Patriot Act, and it was only last year that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that the subsequent dragnet surveillance employed by the NSA may well have been unconstitutional."

[1] https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/government-data-collect...

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#117
post #67

For politicians in democracies citizens are potential voters, foreigners don't matter. It's still arguably better than dictatorships, where your citizens don't matter either, as long as you have a good police system. We act surprised when we notice such things but we shouldn't be, it is a mistake to apply the same standards that we, as the lucky citizens of "free countries" enjoy, to any other system of power. From a…

> in democracies citizens are potential voters, foreigners don't matter Not long ago, what determined whether you "mattered" or not was your religion and belief. We now replaced it with a state issued piece of paper and convinced ourselves that this is progress.

That's correct from a "spiritual" point of view, but pragmatically it is possible to define a spectrum from tyranny to democracy based only on the structure of power. More precisely you can look at the number of people the ruler needs to benefit to get their way. Religion and belief are important, no doubt, but they can be separated a bit from each other with this kind of analysis. In this respect modern democracies with universal suffrage, equal rights, legal protection from state violence are a big deal. It's not necessary for them to represent "progress" to be very very valuable.

Also, "belief" has a propensity to produce circular logic (I believe in X because X is true), non-escapable rational traps (you don't believe in anything, so you believe in non believing, so you believe...), tribalism (we should convert the nonbelievers), righteousness (how can't they see it? It is the truth), wishful thinking (I believe that X is good and Y is bad so of course I will ascribe every good event to X and every bad one to Y), insincere debates, existential crisis caused by the lack of it, and so on... So as much as it's possible I in favor of leaving beliefs and religions out of the analysis.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#119

Does Israel have an entire start-up sector dedicated to spyware or something? I feel like I'm reading about these all the time?

Israel has mandatory military service, and a lot of people go to work in their large SIGINT divisions (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200). A lot of them then leave service and go on to use those skills in the cybersecurity industry–on both sides.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

What health officers said is that 1st amendment rights supersede health orders. Perhaps you could link to a health officer or health order saying otherwise?
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