This is an attempt to listen in on the "inner voice" in your head. This has been demonstrated to me, however crazy this might sound. When targeted, you experience this cicada like sound (or metallic sound) filling your head.
'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats
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#82The only logical conclusion is that it is related to some secret anti spy device installed at US embassies around the world and not some outside disturbance covering Vienne to Havana?
Another logical conclusion could be that we only hear of abnormal medical issues if they happen to diplomats. I mean, if this happened to a random Joe, would we hear about it?
It sounds similar to the occasional "cell phone radiation" and "electromagnetic hypersensitivity" news article. What's interesting is that those stories always include a suspected cause. With the embassy story, it seems we hear a lot about the symptoms.
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#83>Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world, but US officials say the numbers in Vienna are greater than in any other city apart from Havana. Hadn't heard it was this wide-spread. What are the chances their own security systems are at fault? If not, then at this scale couldn't thermal imaging spot something?
Thermal imaging wouldn't detect microwaves. They are at very different parts of the spectrum.
It might spot a beam hitting an absorbing surface, like skin.
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#84So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?
More than two. It says "Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world", other than Havana and Vienna.
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#85The only logical conclusion is that it is related to some secret anti spy device installed at US embassies around the world and not some outside disturbance covering Vienne to Havana?
Or that it's related an an anti spy device surreptitiously left by foreign agents at each embassy. Anyone can make an appointment to visit one and leave a disguised device behind. Or perhaps more likely, use a directed weapon aimed towards the embassy from the outside. Or perhaps there was only an issue in Havana, and what we see now is psychosomatic. Or even that a few coincidental illnesses in Havana led to psychos…
Theories abound, but we ought to exhaust all available avenues of examination before landing on the "psychosomatic" label. Few things are worse than having a physiological problem and being told that it's all in your head. You can feel it, you are somehow debilitated by it, and yet others do not believe you. American diplomats are not particularly superstitious nor ignorant people, and they are indeed exposed to risks; some have been killed in the line of duty. I am inclined to treat this like a workplace-related injury until proven otherwise.
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#86This is an attempt to listen in on the "inner voice" in your head. This has been demonstrated to me, however crazy this might sound. When targeted, you experience this cicada like sound (or metallic sound) filling your head.
I see that you have commented about this a couple of times. Please say more; I am interested to know your thoughts and experiences on the subject. Is it possible to successfully observe a person's thoughts from outside of his or her body?
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#87If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
(among other things)
It weakens recruiting for a diplomatic corps that has already seen its workforce whittled down under the leadership of Tillerson and Pompeo. Slower, lower-quality recruiting could reduce our ability to maintain influence in, and collect information from, key parts of the world. It's no secret that Cuba is an ideological beachhead used by our adversaries to hamper our foreign relations in Latin America.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because this story is related to Vienna and your post fits ... Let me tell you about the viennese hotdog stand owner who had three microwaves running at all time, to heat food quickly. Open. Behind his back. There was a glass in between the customers and him, shielded, but the pressure of the microwaves (heat, i guess?) could be felt through the opening, where he hands out the food. Of course it killed him eventually…
Pretty sure that is entirely an urban legend.
No, it isn't, because I was there. My above post was clearly written in a way that makes it obvious to see that I was there. I've felt it on my own skin.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thermal imaging wouldn't detect microwaves. They are at very different parts of the spectrum.
It might spot a beam hitting an absorbing surface, like skin.
True, since the absorbing surface turns it into heat. If I recall correctly, the issue with microwaves is that they primarily absorb below the skin's surface.
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#90So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?
Exactly. My take is that these reports are of work-place injuries. Something that the Government employees are doing, or have had done to them, is causing the problems. Examples from the past: Gulf Syndrome in the 1990s caused by anti-gas warfare antidotes, and the Agent Orange cancers and other birth-deformities inflicted on VietNam vets.
Two cases in war zones. How would you explain this happening in a neutral city to civilians?