'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats
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#2>Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world, but US officials say the numbers in Vienna are greater than in any other city apart from Havana.
Hadn't heard it was this wide-spread. What are the chances their own security systems are at fault? If not, then at this scale couldn't thermal imaging spot something?
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#3Vienna is a historical hotspot for North Korean overseas operations, but that connection would be seemingly too obvious (Havana also has a DPRK embassy)…
Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats
#4When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms.
This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome.
The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in American and Canadian embassies. This is probably because they're familiar with the syndrome from news reports.
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#5If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
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#6Vienna is a historical hotspot for North Korean overseas operations, but that connection would be seemingly too obvious (Havana also has a DPRK embassy)…
DPRK embassies are everywhere in Europe (germany, italy, spain, romania, sweden, etc), so what?
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#7When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms. This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome. The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in Ame…
Long Covid is demonstrably provable with scans, O2-saturation, blood pressure and other diagnostic checks. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n853/rr-2
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#8When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms. This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome. The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in Ame…
Gulf war syndrome is a real thing. So is Long Covid.
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#9If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
> what's the point of it
the point is probably how every US diplomat around the globe probably goes to sleep every night thinking "I hope I wake up tomorrow with without permanent brain damage"
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#10So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?