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'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#41

>Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world, but US officials say the numbers in Vienna are greater than in any other city apart from Havana. Hadn't heard it was this wide-spread. What are the chances their own security systems are at fault? If not, then at this scale couldn't thermal imaging spot something?

Thermal imaging wouldn't detect microwaves. They are at very different parts of the spectrum.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#42
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These detectors might very well be a scam targeted at people who believe any kind of radiation is bad for them.

Because this story is related to Vienna and your post fits ... Let me tell you about the viennese hotdog stand owner who had three microwaves running at all time, to heat food quickly. Open. Behind his back. There was a glass in between the customers and him, shielded, but the pressure of the microwaves (heat, i guess?) could be felt through the opening, where he hands out the food. Of course it killed him eventually…

Pretty sure that is entirely an urban legend.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#43

The only logical conclusion is that it is related to some secret anti spy device installed at US embassies around the world and not some outside disturbance covering Vienne to Havana?

Or that it's related an an anti spy device surreptitiously left by foreign agents at each embassy. Anyone can make an appointment to visit one and leave a disguised device behind. Or perhaps more likely, use a directed weapon aimed towards the embassy from the outside.

Or perhaps there was only an issue in Havana, and what we see now is psychosomatic. Or even that a few coincidental illnesses in Havana led to psychosomatic incidents as well.

Really all there is to go by is different levels of speculation informed by very few facts known for certain. However it would be odd for the US to allow its own devices to make its own staff sick, sparking many conspiracy theories and accusations at other countries.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#44
post #39

The only logical conclusion is that it is related to some secret anti spy device installed at US embassies around the world and not some outside disturbance covering Vienne to Havana?

Or that it's a secret weapon used on US diplomats by [insert foreign power]. Or that it's a result of radiation given off by some cryptogear that's classified. Or that it's a result of a global phenomenon and is only being detected in Vienna because they were alert to it after noticing it in Havana. Or that it's a contagious but slow acting disease spreading through the US diplomatic corps from some Typhoid Mary as t…

Or sunspots. Always one of my favorited from the tech-problem excuse handbook.

That, and directing annoying questions about Lotus Notes to the cafeteria staff so they could resolve issues with their lettuce nodes.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#45
I had a theory about this illness.

I dance a bit of salsa, and sometimes there were cuban DJs at the festivals I visited. They all always tended to do one thing with their sound setup: they overamplified the higher part of the audio spectrum, producing a hissing distortion of sound. It had an effect on me very similar on what is described about Havana embassy: headache and slight nausea.

I tried talking to those DJs about it, and they told me that that's the way they like it. So I think that maybe you'd sickness is explained by cubans listening to their music the way they like it.

But that was before Vienna. Maybe there was a salsa festival recently?

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#46
post #4

When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms. This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome. The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in Ame…

This is a reasonable hypothesis but do you have any more evidence for this than the others?

They weren't offering a hypothesis for the cause of this, only noting the difficulty of making such determinations given the circumstances.

Besides which, all any of us have to go by are hypothesis. I think it's pretty clear that speculation is the only thing available to discussions on the possible causes.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#47

I had a theory about this illness. I dance a bit of salsa, and sometimes there were cuban DJs at the festivals I visited. They all always tended to do one thing with their sound setup: they overamplified the higher part of the audio spectrum, producing a hissing distortion of sound. It had an effect on me very similar on what is described about Havana embassy: headache and slight nausea. I tried talking to those DJs…

I have another theory: maybe they're using a certain tech to steal classified info remotely and we're seeing the side effects. I seriously doubt that Russians will hurt US "diplomats" on purpose....payback and all.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this story is related to Vienna and your post fits ... Let me tell you about the viennese hotdog stand owner who had three microwaves running at all time, to heat food quickly. Open. Behind his back. There was a glass in between the customers and him, shielded, but the pressure of the microwaves (heat, i guess?) could be felt through the opening, where he hands out the food. Of course it killed him eventually…

Pretty sure that is entirely an urban legend.

I don't know, I can easily believe that there are hot dog vendors in Vienna. Probably even one that has a silly name for English-speaking tourists like "Wurst Hotdogs!"

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#49
post #18

How about issuing every employee with a monitor that detects microwave radiation (since that's what they're saying they think it is)?

I can see it now, all US diplomats will have helmets on with antennae for detecting various wavelengths.

Made from rolls of tinfoil that contractors sell to embassies for $1200/25sqft roll

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#50
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These detectors might very well be a scam targeted at people who believe any kind of radiation is bad for them.

Because this story is related to Vienna and your post fits ... Let me tell you about the viennese hotdog stand owner who had three microwaves running at all time, to heat food quickly. Open. Behind his back. There was a glass in between the customers and him, shielded, but the pressure of the microwaves (heat, i guess?) could be felt through the opening, where he hands out the food. Of course it killed him eventually…

I think the microwave is designed so that the radiation resonates in a cavity. Once you open the cavity, the waves spread in all directions and the energy drops off very quickly.
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