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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by dspace » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 3:32 AM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64

Jarred wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was more so talking about Gnome 3. The titlebar fonts are generally okay, but the way fonts are rendered in web browsers on really any desktop environment in Linux versus how they're rendered in OS X or Windows are considerably worse. I'm referring to the visual style in general, there's a huge difference between having something work and enjoying using it, and Wine is most of the time the former, but rarely, if ev…

I guess I don't understand what you want. Like I said, Ubuntu fonts out of the box are rendered gorgeously and I've had similar or identical rendering in GNOME 3. Maybe it's just me, but I think these all look decent: http://i.imgur.com/4dGbR.png http://i.imgur.com/mfyjw.png http://i.imgur.com/BqOdg.png In fact, I would venture to guess you couldn't differentiate between Linux and Mac OS X (the Windows one is obvious…

The last one is ok, but I like thinner fonts. MS fonts are legally available on Linux (just accept the license). I know that may be blasphemy to some, but here's how fonts look on my system:

http://i.imgur.com/vBi93.png

If anyone cares:

    $ sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
    $ cd /etc/fonts/conf.d
    $ sudo rm 10-hinting-slight.conf
    $ sudo ln -s ../conf.avail/10-hinting-full.conf .
    $ sudo ln -s ../conf.avail/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf .
    $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:19 AM UTC

runjake wrote: post #69

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I don't understand what you want. Like I said, Ubuntu fonts out of the box are rendered gorgeously and I've had similar or identical rendering in GNOME 3. Maybe it's just me, but I think these all look decent: http://i.imgur.com/4dGbR.png http://i.imgur.com/mfyjw.png http://i.imgur.com/BqOdg.png In fact, I would venture to guess you couldn't differentiate between Linux and Mac OS X (the Windows one is obvious…

He just doesn't like them. Get over it. People have different tastes. You don't really need to write essays about why he is "wrong". I think the blurryfonts in the 3 imgur urls you've provided are way worse than what I see in Windows 7 and Mac OS X every day. They're somewhat misshapen and smudged-looking.

Hey dude buddy friend, maybe calm down a second. He has bad preconceptions regarding linux fonts and is nearly completely wrong about how he's considering Wine.

And by the way, those screenshots were, in order, Linux, OS X, Windows (default settings, font, browser zoom level, etc in each). But nice to see that confirmation bias is still alive and well. That's the whole reason I provided as much context as I did. I knew someone would reply with a comment like yours. Sad that I was right.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:22 AM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64

Jarred wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was more so talking about Gnome 3. The titlebar fonts are generally okay, but the way fonts are rendered in web browsers on really any desktop environment in Linux versus how they're rendered in OS X or Windows are considerably worse. I'm referring to the visual style in general, there's a huge difference between having something work and enjoying using it, and Wine is most of the time the former, but rarely, if ev…

I guess I don't understand what you want. Like I said, Ubuntu fonts out of the box are rendered gorgeously and I've had similar or identical rendering in GNOME 3. Maybe it's just me, but I think these all look decent: http://i.imgur.com/4dGbR.png http://i.imgur.com/mfyjw.png http://i.imgur.com/BqOdg.png In fact, I would venture to guess you couldn't differentiate between Linux and Mac OS X (the Windows one is obvious…

Since people seem to be missing the point, those three screenshots are (in order): Ubuntu, OS X, Windows 7. Latest versions of each, default fonts (msttcorefonts installed in Ubuntu), with the default browser zoom level.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by ddfreyne » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 5:36 AM UTC

The address book and dictionary icons have a different perspective yet sit in the same dock. Ack!

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by austinbirch » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 6:19 AM UTC

ThePinion wrote: post #67

austinbirch wrote: post #65

Not trying to be negative, as I haven't used elementary for any real amount of time yet, but: whenever I glance at the 'e' icon it reminds me of a negative action sign. Like a 'No right turn' road sign, or something similar. Not a problem once you're used to it, I suppose.

Takes about 4 seconds to change it to whatever icon you want..

I'm talking more about the branding, you shouldn't really have to debrand your OS to make it user friendly.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by mkramlich » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 7:49 AM UTC

So... OS X?

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by mapleoin » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 7:50 AM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64

Jarred wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was more so talking about Gnome 3. The titlebar fonts are generally okay, but the way fonts are rendered in web browsers on really any desktop environment in Linux versus how they're rendered in OS X or Windows are considerably worse. I'm referring to the visual style in general, there's a huge difference between having something work and enjoying using it, and Wine is most of the time the former, but rarely, if ev…

I guess I don't understand what you want. Like I said, Ubuntu fonts out of the box are rendered gorgeously and I've had similar or identical rendering in GNOME 3. Maybe it's just me, but I think these all look decent: http://i.imgur.com/4dGbR.png http://i.imgur.com/mfyjw.png http://i.imgur.com/BqOdg.png In fact, I would venture to guess you couldn't differentiate between Linux and Mac OS X (the Windows one is obvious…

I think mine look even prettier: http://i.imgur.com/29dRv.png http://i.imgur.com/Nf087.png

Anyway, some fonts look good at a specific size. I'm currently using the big size in the first picture and everything looks gorgeous.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by mahrain » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:11 AM UTC

I would like to know what Ubuntu this is based on because of driver issues I have experienced with 11.04 and 10.10. Also, do the software repositories work and is the shell Gnome2 or 3?

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by fingerprinter » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 9:43 AM UTC

mahrain wrote: post #78

I would like to know what Ubuntu this is based on because of driver issues I have experienced with 11.04 and 10.10. Also, do the software repositories work and is the shell Gnome2 or 3?

10.04 LTS

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by mushy » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 12:12 PM UTC

Links for the uninitiated

Jupiter (stable build based on Ubuntu Maverick)

http://elementaryos.org/

Luna (unstable build based on Ubuntu Oneiric)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/eosbuilds/files/

If you get an error with nvidia graphics card with the nouveau driver like I did, just append "nomodeset" to the boot up options. ie. click e in grub and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset"