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Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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99.4 percent conviction rate? That sounds very suspicious to me. Btw, strange that Japan is called as 'Western' - perhaps the better term is OECD? Same goes for NZ, I guess.

???? NZ is a first world British colony, same as USA, Canada and the closest neighbour, geographically and culturally, Australia.

Yeah, but geographically it is quite east of even Japan.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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> According to my auto mechanic friends Nissan once ranked up there with Toyota and Honda for reliability, but their quality plummeted after the Renault deal. Nissan went to crap when they took a controlling stake in JATCO and started using those god awful CVT's in everything, and then stopped putting any effort into their sports cars to keep them competitive enough to lure enthusiasts to their brand. I owned a GT-R…

Yes, CVTs are crap. Every time I consider purchasing a car (used or new) I pass over the CVT offerings — which include most (all?) of Nissan's line up.

I won't disagree tha CVTs are crap, but they were an attempt for better gas mileage / carbon emissions reduction.

I have heard they are improving, but by the time they figure them out the ICE car will probably be utterly obsolete.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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You're claiming Japanese in America are representative of Japanese in Japan which is not the case. It's straight up racist too.

Actually the OP asked the question. By assuming a particular answer, you are providing the racism.

No, it is the question that is racist. The assumption that because of your ethnicity, you would have some kind of specific level of criminality. That is extremely racist.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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post #159

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99.4 percent conviction rate? That sounds very suspicious to me. Btw, strange that Japan is called as 'Western' - perhaps the better term is OECD? Same goes for NZ, I guess.

???? NZ is a first world British colony, same as USA, Canada and the closest neighbour, geographically and culturally, Australia.

I think parents comment is just about the fact that Japan and NZ are at the very East side of European maps, which is why it might be surprising to tag them Western.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Actually the OP asked the question. By assuming a particular answer, you are providing the racism.

No, it is the question that is racist. The assumption that because of your ethnicity, you would have some kind of specific level of criminality. That is extremely racist.

You're assuming a causal relationship when the claim is correlational. The claim is not that because of a person's ethnicity that person will commit crimes at a certain rate, the claim is that you can make a good guess about criminality based on ethnicity. That is to say, there is a correlation. Which is unambiguously true--just look up the numbers. Only takes a moment.

In either case, whether it's racist or not is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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post #163

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Japan has >99% conviction rate if you get arrested. That's precisely why you would run if you're innocent. Although it's more complicated. https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/carlos-ghosn-and-japans-99-c...

That's an often-quoted statistic that really doesn't mean what it looks like. The main reason their conviction rate is so high is not that they have some bloodthirsty kangaroo court, but rather that charges are very likely to be dropped by the prosecution if there isn't compelling evidence certain to end in conviction, rather than the prosecution risking losing the case.

I don't believe that is the main reason. Forced confessions without a lawyer present is a huge factor in Japan's conviction rate.

> In Japan this occurs in the context of forced confessions during detention of suspects whose lawyers are not present during interrogation. In the United States a similar danger is present in plea bargaining. There is a well-known “trial penalty” — a defendant who spurns the prosecutor’s offer of a plea bargain will generally receive a significantly higher sentence if found guilty at trial. Both systems struggle to provide oversight of confessions and plea bargains, respectively, by means of judicial hearings.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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> I would bet that Japanese in the U.S. evince rates of criminality more similar to those of Japanese in Japan than to the rest of American society What makes you believe that? If true, what might cause that to be the case?

I've realized we're probably confused about whether we're talking about Japanese in America vs. Japanese-Americans. I was talking about Japanese in America (the article is about a foreigner in Japan), but I'd make roughly the same claims in either case. Empirically, I would bet that both Japanese in America and Japanese-Americans both show rates of criminality more similar to Japan's than to the remainder of the U.S.…

I think listing genes is probably crossing the line. It's not like there is a gene for crime that some category of people would have more or less...

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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>For more than a year, Mr Ghosn spent long periods in custody or was held under house arrest in Tokyo after being bailed. It was not clear when a trial would take place - the fear was it could take years - and Mr Ghosn faced a further 15 years in prison if convicted, in a country which has a 99.4% conviction rate. >It was during a period of house arrest, when Mr Ghosn was told he would not be allowed to have any cont…

If you calculate the US conviction rate in the same way, it is also around 99%.

Now I also find that "insane" but it isn't out of line with other "modern western democracies"

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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post #164

I think most people missed the most important part of the story > The large box carrying Ghosn was never x-rayed or checked by customs officials, because it was too big to fit inside the x-ray machine The security theater we have to go through in the airport is just that: a pathetic security theater. You have a large box, that's definitively something that you gotta check. If you can't x-ray it, then at least open it…

You're conflating the role of TSA (or Japan's equivalent) with customs. The security risk of taking an uninspected box on a private jet is pretty low, and private jets routinely have fewer security checks. On the customs side, they're usually less concerned with someone smuggling something out of the country than smuggling something in. About the only thing they would have cared about leaving the country like that on a private jet is Carlos Ghosn.
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