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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by jacquesm »

pontifier wrote: post #116
chha wrote: post #8

There is a couple of other stories that comes to mind, unfortunately both of them were about recovering the dead. "Raising the Dead" is about the accidental discovery of a diver in SA, and the recovery efforts there. [1] "The cave divers who went back for their friends" is about a trio of finns who went back into a Norwegian underwater cave system to recover two friends who got stuck and died there. [2] [1] - https:/…

4 friends of friends died in a flooded cave in my home town. https://www.deseret.com/2005/8/23/19908025/4-drown-in-cave#8 I had been hearing about the cave, and had been invited to go there a couple of weeks before this happened. I decided not to go because it didn't sound safe. I was concerned about the oxygen content of the air pocket and decided it was too dangerous.

Smart person. You have the risk/reward thing figured out.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by jacquesm »

janci wrote: post #268
watwut wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I assume some equipment could help with that making the transport easier once a more comfortable path was found. Or maybe your assumptions are wrong.

Maybe. That's why I am trying to discuss. To find out why are they wrong.

Then you should be asking an entirely different class of questions.

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Post by Dah00n »

emptysongglass wrote: post #224
Dah00n wrote: post #213

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>if other engineers said he's an engineer Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

I'm a software engineer. I do software engineering with other software engineers. But I didn't go to school for it, I was self-taught. That doesn't make me less of an engineer. It's ok to express an opinion about Musk either way. You can not like him for all kinds of reasons. But he actually wrote video games as a kid growing up. He wrote code at his earliest startups and a lot of it.

>I'm a software engineer.

You know as well as I do that when talking about building a submarine (and linking to SpaceX discussions) "Engineer" isn't meant as someone who made a video game back in the day. It has zero percentage to do with code.

With that said I'm also sure you know that Software Engineer isn't seen as a "real engineer" (and I'm in the same camp as you FYI). It is more like Medical Technician versus Doctor. In most countries you need a license besides an education to b a "real engineer" and Software Engineers cannot get one. The whole job title is a misnomer, just like Engineer in American English has become it seems, though some Board of Examiners still sue you if you try to call yourself an Engineer without a license[0].

I did not write a single word that was positive or negative about Elon Musk in the comment.

[0]https://eu.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/06/10/former-w...

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Post by vilhelm_s »

arendtio wrote: post #221
uoaei wrote: post #133

What the fuck is this dark pattern? You must agree to ads before later revoking consent?

I also don't understand how this can be in legal in the sense of the GDPR, but AFAIK there are multiple German news sites which use this pattern (e.g. Golem, Heise and Spiegel from the top of my head).

Why would it be a GDPR violation? As I understood it, the point of the GDPR is to prevent people from being tracked without knowing about it and consenting to it. Here the consent button is as obvious as it could be, you really can't miss it.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by wnevets »

fastball wrote: post #288
wnevets wrote: post #280

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Why tho? Musk calls someone a pedophile for petty reasons, he gets called out for it and his defenders respond by saying he is the reason the electric car market exist. It's absolutely bizarre.

Well the top comment about a story Musk played little part in was about Musk when I first replied. You could ask the same question of the criticizers.

So your argument is people only defend Musk when he is criticized? When else would they be able to defend him?

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Post by fastball »

wnevets wrote: post #296
fastball wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the top comment about a story Musk played little part in was about Musk when I first replied. You could ask the same question of the criticizers.

So your argument is people only defend Musk when he is criticized? When else would they be able to defend him?

No, I'm merely pointing out that

> The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.

is no weirder than the certain portion of the internet that needs to criticize Musk at all times. In fact, the people that feel the need to interject criticisms of Musk into conversations that aren't really about him clearly have Musk living rent-free in their heads to a greater degree than the defenders do.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by mjkpl »

From the article, the fragment about the SF2 sidemount rebreather:

> There are only a few of these computer-controlled devices in the world.

From quick googling I found out that this type of rebreather is "certainly the most popular Sidemount rebreather in the world." [1]. It is relatively inexpensive also (7k EUR). Why are there only a few of them in the world then? Is he talking about some special, modified type of it?

[1] https://www.divestock.com/scuba-force-sf2-sidemount-rebreath...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by wnevets »

fastball wrote: post #297
wnevets wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your argument is people only defend Musk when he is criticized? When else would they be able to defend him?

No, I'm merely pointing out that > The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird. is no weirder than the certain portion of the internet that needs to criticize Musk at all times. In fact, the people that feel the need to interject criticisms of Musk into conversations that aren't really about him clearly have Musk living rent-free in their heads to a greater degree th…

not only does this article mention Musk and his useless sub but its about the life Musk tried to ruin. How is it weird to bring up Musk and how he tried to ruin this hero's life?

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Post by arendtio »

vilhelm_s wrote: post #295
arendtio wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't understand how this can be in legal in the sense of the GDPR, but AFAIK there are multiple German news sites which use this pattern (e.g. Golem, Heise and Spiegel from the top of my head).

Why would it be a GDPR violation? As I understood it, the point of the GDPR is to prevent people from being tracked without knowing about it and consenting to it. Here the consent button is as obvious as it could be, you really can't miss it.

The problem is that you have to give your tracking consent freely, which means, that you should have no disadvantage if you don't consent. However, being awarded the right to read the news for free after giving your consent can hardly be considered 'freely'.

I don't care much about this case in particular, because I don't use their pages much anyway, but from my understanding, the correct approach would be, to simply use ads without tracking for the people who don't consent.

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