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Word had obviously spread through the local Thai community that he was on the passenger ferry and there must have been 100 of them lining the streets to cheer him for his bravery once he arrived.
It was a really touching thing to see.
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The sub was a bad plan from the beginning, one of the main issues with the rescue was the narrow twisty path through the cave. This wasn't unknown when Musk was touting his sub. Also even if someone was talking shit about his sub and it wasn't a bad idea, that doesn't justify insinuating they're a pedophile...
Hence “ This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth”. I still think Vernon’s response to a good faith attempt at solving the problem “stick it where it hurts” was distasteful.
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Gwynne Shotwell deserves far more of the credit for SpaceX than Musk does.
I'm no fan of Musk's shitty and arrogant behaviour. His treatment of Unsworth was truly disgusting. But that's like saying after a rugby game that the left wing deserved far more of the credit than the coach or captain, since they were the one who ran in the winning try. The thing is that Musk makes things happen. Not in some lame and purely money driven field like crypto or ad tech - but genuinely moving the needle…
The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)
>I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story I did, and it's shocking how something only a few years away, and so publicly recorded, has been so muddled. There was this thai journalist I had been following on twitter to get all details on the whole situation, pity I forgot the account. anyhoo, here is the cliffnotes version from my memory, apologies if I got something wrong, I'm not a journalist, can't be arsed…
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Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.
Yes and no. Tesla did innovate, but frankly not as much as many people want to give them credit for. And a lot of the innovation happened before Musk even joined, at least when it comes to basic EV tech, not talking about AutoPilot or whatever. Their real achievement was creating a market and interest. This new consumer and investor interest was also in large part to Musk throwing his ego around in public. A lot of o…
There were a number of years when a Tesla was the only good EV you could buy, and they forced the entire industry to take note and actually develop their own programs. (Fast forward to today, and it's sometimes pure comedy to see latecomers such as Mazda's first attempt being a complete "what?" with their first EV having under half the range of and being more expensive than a Model 3.)
Sure, someone else could eventually have gotten there, but Musk and Tesla were the ones who did it - and I believe with a rather significant margin of time.
There's a long list of things I don't like about personalities and design choices, but I feel it's ok to keep that separate from the above.
(I don't own an EV. Still saving and waiting for the right time to upgrade from a 10 year old Subaru Outback ICEV bought new then.)
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Hence “ This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth”. I still think Vernon’s response to a good faith attempt at solving the problem “stick it where it hurts” was distasteful.
I'm think it wasn't really a good faith effort because there were such clear problems with trying to shove a rigid steel tube through the cave that it was clearly wasted attention/effort. There was a lot of criticism during the whole thing that it wasn't doing any good except to get Musk more attention.
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Even if he doesn't do the hands-on design work himself, he's clearly good at both recognising engineering talent and evaluating information that's presented to him. You couldn't have either of these skills without some engineering knowledge.
I edited my comment a while ago, I'm not sure your reply is really relevant to the updated version. But what you described is just being a CTO. That's an important job, but is still separate from being chief engineer.
From that Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
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Even if he doesn't do the hands-on design work himself, he's clearly good at both recognising engineering talent and evaluating information that's presented to him. You couldn't have either of these skills without some engineering knowledge.
So when will his engineers tell him that hyperloop won't work (assuming he honestly doesn't know).
Where would we be right now if [pick any inventor] had listened when the experts said, "it won't work"?
An inventor's job is to have a big imagination. A successful inventor usually has enough of an engineering background to test their hypothesis and refine as needed. Most of them also know how to gather highly educated minds to help them.
Many successful inventors do not have deep academic backgrounds, because often those educational backgrounds tell them only what is impossible, not what is possible.
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>I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story I did, and it's shocking how something only a few years away, and so publicly recorded, has been so muddled. There was this thai journalist I had been following on twitter to get all details on the whole situation, pity I forgot the account. anyhoo, here is the cliffnotes version from my memory, apologies if I got something wrong, I'm not a journalist, can't be arsed…
Thank you for posting this!
It doesn't have to be pro or anti musk, you just have to look at the facts
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I was just on Twitter DM (magic of technology, you can just talk to a rando person a thousand mile away now!) with the Thai journalist (@thanr) who had been reporting on site on behalf of the BBC or some other press, and he told me there are so many other facts not publicly know, like the scope of the cooperation between Musk, The State Dept, The American Embassy in Thailand and the Thai government. I've requested him to perhaps write some article or a book or something to detail those.
it's understandable if not knowing those not easily google-able facts were perhaps the cause of the confusion. But not doing a simple tweet search? The man is a prolific tweeter, why not just... go read what he said, and make your opinion on that? Good, Bad whatever, but atleast you should be fully informed.
neither Musk nor Vernon come clean out of this mess, but atleast there is some clarity to be gained.
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The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.
Yin and Yang. The defenders come out of the woodwork at approximately the same moment the attackers do.