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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Seanambers »

kaba0 wrote: post #247
sundvor wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.

Do you have any info on what is actually new in Teslas? The only hard problem of electric vehicles is the battery - which is third party in Teslas. So what exactly is novel there?

"The only hard problem of electric vehicles is the battery - which is third party in Teslas".

No the entire system efficiency is whats hard and is why Tesla is way in front of the competition with regards to performance and range. Batteries have so far been a commodity - 18500 & 21700s, its only now that Tesla is starting to focus on that part of the system in reference to Battery Day.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

emptysongglass wrote: post #224
Dah00n wrote: post #213

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>if other engineers said he's an engineer Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

I'm a software engineer. I do software engineering with other software engineers. But I didn't go to school for it, I was self-taught. That doesn't make me less of an engineer. It's ok to express an opinion about Musk either way. You can not like him for all kinds of reasons. But he actually wrote video games as a kid growing up. He wrote code at his earliest startups and a lot of it.

I know the word gets thrown around a lot, but “software engineering” doesn’t really have anything to do with engineering at all, and it certainly doesn’t make anyone engineers. Not just because it doesn’t have any formal recognition as an engineering discipline but more importantly because the field is too immature for any such recognition to be at all meaningful. Case in point, all those private certification schemes and how lousy predictors they are of project success.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dools »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #244
dools wrote: post #154

This is such an awe inspiring story, and at the same time it made me sad. It reminded me of the story of a young Rwandan girl who was about the same age as those trapped boys when she and her family escaped to the Congolese jungle … I can’t remember her name but she ultimately survived and has become a public activist. She tells her story now frequently and I remember her saying that she though the entire world must…

Could you/someone post the link to the article or her name?

I can't for the life of me find the quote nor remember where I originally saw it. I thought it was something like a ted talk or at least a review of a ted talk, but I can't find it now :( that sentiment certainly stuck with me though, the idea that this girl assumed that, if they could, someone would have come to help, but that they had actually been abandoned which was a harsh realisation she came to later.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by FearlessNebula »

rtkwe wrote: post #170
FearlessNebula wrote: post #129

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This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

The sub was a bad plan from the beginning, one of the main issues with the rescue was the narrow twisty path through the cave. This wasn't unknown when Musk was touting his sub. Also even if someone was talking shit about his sub and it wasn't a bad idea, that doesn't justify insinuating they're a pedophile...

Hence “ This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth”. I still think Vernon’s response to a good faith attempt at solving the problem “stick it where it hurts” was distasteful.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by FearlessNebula »

ergocoder wrote: post #179
FearlessNebula wrote: post #129

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This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

So what? You can call each other names and fight. Musk has gone beyond that and accused Vernon of being a pedophile and marrying child bride. Maybe it was the heat of the moment. But then some days (or weeks) later he followed up with "I'd bet my signed dollar (that Vernon is a pedo)" (or something like that). Musk intended to destroy Vernon with the pedophile accusation. There is no doubt of that. This is pre-medita…

I’m not debating that Musk slandered him, and I think Musk should have payed out in court. However I still think Vernon’s response to Musk’s submarine solution was distasteful. Instead of saying “sorry, this won’t work because xyz”, or “we’ll try that if our original plan fails”, he told Musk to “stick it where it hurts”. Not a very professional response.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by FearlessNebula »

lupire wrote: post #162
FearlessNebula wrote: post #129

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This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

Now you are slandering Unsworth.

I’m really not. He told Elon to “stick it where it hurts”, which was why I said he talked shit to Elon. Again, I’m not trying to deny that Elon is the bad guy here. But Vernon can be the good guy in a situation and still have made a distasteful mistake (talking disrespectfully).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by loceng »

kaba0 wrote: post #243
loceng wrote: post #185

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So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

A scam billionaire that did nothing by himself is anything but a role model.

Has anyone done anything by themself? Weak argument.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by imtringued »

loceng wrote: post #185
geomark wrote: post #180

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I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

Tesla bought Solar city to bail out around $6 billion in assets owned by the Musk family. He came up with an overhyped product launch (the solar roof) to instill confidence while behind the scenes he gutted Solar city (renamed to Tesla Energy) to nothing. I don't want him to be a role model for anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqtSqy3oeY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f0PzbJOau8

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by watwut »

brazzy wrote: post #61
janci wrote: post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

> Would not a sonar help? Portable sonar systems with in-helmet displays were put in use by the US Navy only last year: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/us-navy-teams-w... > A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Would fuck up your buoyancy, but there are systems where you have only an air pockt around your mouth. But the range would be so low as to be nearly useless inside a…

> Even assuming that you had those already available, laying them would be a very slow process, and they would be a hindrance rather than help in very narrow passages.

The point would be to use them so that there is no necessity to go through narrow passage. The diver says that when boys went in, they walked through wide openings on bottom.

But, they were probably impractical for other reasons.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by watwut »

janci wrote: post #246
fastasucan wrote: post #120

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How do you know that this wasn't the easiest/only option? (Since you said it was the hardest).

From the article: >Later, after the water had run off, you could see that down at the bottom, where the boys walked in, there were much larger gaps. But the divers couldn’t attach anything to the muddy bottom when laying out the guide lines. They had to follow along the ceiling. The only path they found was through the narrow passageways. As I understand it, they had to use the narrow passages at the top because they…

> I assume some equipment could help with that making the transport easier once a more comfortable path was found.

Or maybe your assumptions are wrong.

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