Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

Post by barbazoo » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

w0m wrote: post #77

moojah wrote: post #20

This really isn't beta grade software, as it isn't feature complete as the failure scenarios in the video clearly show. I'd call it alpha grade, and it has been that for a while. It's not 2 weeks or whatever unrealistic timeline away from being done, as Elon has claimed for ever. 2 perhaps years if we're lucky, but given human and driving complexity probably way more before even the whole of the USA is reliably suppo…

>This really isn't beta grade software, as it isn't feature complete as the failure scenarios in the video clearly show. I think it depends what they actually are trying to accomplish. This is Beta for a glorified cruise control overhaul; not a beta for promised RoboTaxi. Musk/Tesla tend to talk about RoboTaxi then slip seemlessly into/out of 'but today we have low engagement cruise control!'. Fair bit of hucksterism…

Post by jtvjan » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #87

serverholic wrote: post #72

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We are going to need a fundamental breakthrough in AI to achieve the level of FSD that people expect. Like a convolutional neural network level breakthrough.

I suggest some simple Smoke Tests. I love that concept for software testing. It could be applied here to test if we are getting closer or further from what humans can do. Some examples: Smoke Test 1: Driving with Snow Smoke Test 2: Driving with Rain Smoke Test 3: You are driving to a Red sign and you notice 50 meters ahead a pedestrian has its headphones on. The pedestrian is distracted and looking at traffic coming…

Post by bob33212 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

richwater wrote: post #129

cs702 wrote: post #120

Many of the comments here seem a bit... unfair to me, considering that these clips were handpicked. I watched (and fast-forwarded) through a few of the original, full-length videos from which these clips were taken. The full-length videos show long drives (in some cases, hours long) almost entirely without human intervention, under conditions explicitly meant to be difficult for self-driving vehicles. One thing I rea…

It literally doesn't matter how well it does in 90% of situations when the other 10% can injure or kill people in relatively basic scenarios like the Tweets presented. I mean the car almost ran into a concrete pillar like it wasn't even there. > For BETA software, FSD 9 is doing remarkably well If this was a React website, that'd be great. But it's a production $40,000 multi ton automobile.

Post by moralestapia » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:28 PM UTC

dnautics wrote: post #130

moralestapia wrote: post #93

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Because Elon doesn't operate under the same jurisdiction as us common people. Try calling out a random diver a 'pedo', or perform the most cynical kind of market manipulation (then laughing to the SEC at their face) and your outcome will be very different. It's Animal Farm all over.

Actually most of us can do any or all of the following things that Elon did (write a tweet calling a diver a pedo, write a tweet claiming that a stock will go to 420 huh huh, tweet random nonsense about cryptos, criticize the SEC or FAA, etc.) with very little consequence, if any.

Post by flutas » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:30 PM UTC

mortenjorck wrote: post #125

Syonyk wrote: post #11

I don't understand how something this broken is allowed to operate on public roads. If I drove like Tesla's FSD seems to based on the videos I've seen, I'd be pulled out of my car and arrested on (well founded) suspicions of "driving while hammered." After a decade of work, it's not capable of doing much beyond "blundering around a city mostly without hitting stuff, but pay attention, because it'll try to hit the mos…

The monorail video is jaw-dropping. Nine versions in, I would expect ongoing challenges with things like you mention. But continued failure to even see large, flat obstacles is no longer something that needs to be fixed – that it has persisted this long (even after killing someone as in the case of T-boning a semi trailer at highway speeds) is an indictment of the entire approach Tesla has been taking to FSD. I used…