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Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by mrRandomGuy »

optimiz3 wrote: post #26
nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

> puts everybody and their children at risk Oh won't somebody think of the children? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Out of all the times to mock someone saying that, I don't think "self-driving-but-not-really-car nearly crashes into things and puts the occupants and bystanders at risk for serious bodily harm as evident by the videos posted above" is one of those times.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by verelo »

nrjames wrote: post #8
nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

I used to work with the USG. There was "Beta" software absolutely everywhere, including on some very sensitive systems, because it was not required to go through security approval until it was out of Beta. In some instances, these applications had been in place for > 10 years. That was a number of years ago, so I hope the situation has changed. In general, the USG doesn't have sophisticated infrastructure and policy…

USG? I'm not sure what that means, i did a google search and i assume it's not "United States Gypsum" or the University System or Georgia...?

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by carlmr »

wedn3sday wrote: post #28

I watched a human driver in a BMW weave at 90 mph through traffic yesterday, swerving back and forth between lanes inches from other peoples cars. If Tesla can make a car that's even 1% less dangerous than human drivers, that could be thousands of deaths avoided every year. Humans should not be allowed to drive cars on public streets.

But that surely is the description of 1% of the drivers. It should be better than the 1% worst drivers. It should be demonstrably safer than humans on average with a good margin.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by Syonyk »

wedn3sday wrote: post #28

I watched a human driver in a BMW weave at 90 mph through traffic yesterday, swerving back and forth between lanes inches from other peoples cars. If Tesla can make a car that's even 1% less dangerous than human drivers, that could be thousands of deaths avoided every year. Humans should not be allowed to drive cars on public streets.

> Humans should not be allowed to drive cars on public streets.

Because the alternative right now is... this abomination that doesn't even grasp what a concrete pillar is?

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Syonyk wrote: post #27
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand how something this broken is allowed to operate on public roads. Also out in a rural area. Running out to pickup lunch a few minutes ago, a young man flipped their old pickup truck on its side in an intersection, having hit the median for some reason. I too don't understand how humans are allowed to operate on public roads. Most of them are terrible at it. About 35k people a year die in motor veh…

Could have been equipment failure on the truck - a tie rod end failing or such will create some interesting behaviors. > I believe the argument is the software will improve to eventually be as good or better than humans, and I have a hard time not believing that. I find it easy to believe that software won't manage to deal well with all the weird things that reality can throw at a car, because we suck at software as…

Is flying a helicopter on Mars arrogance? Launching reusable space launch vehicles that boost back to the landing site arrogance? I don't believe so. These are engineering challenges to be surmounted, just as safe robotic vehicles are a challenge, and its reasonable (I'd argue) for us as a species to drive towards solutions (no pun intended).

Silicon Valley isn't going to suddenly become less arrogant, but that doesn't mean the problems they attempt to solve don't need solving. Incentives are important to coax innovation in a way that balances life safety with progress, and I concede the incentives in place likely need improvement.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by killjoywashere »

I work in ML (medical diagnostics) and own a 2020 Tesla w/ FSD and do not trust it at all. I also happen to be a cyclist, currently living in SV. My regular road ride takes me past Tesla HQ. The more of these FSD fails I see, the more I wonder how many Teslas passing me are running in FSD mode. Scary.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by sidewndr46 »

croes wrote: post #4

I doubt that autonomous driving will work in the next couple of years without infrastructure adjustments. We built roads for cars to replace horses, we will need to built roads for autonmous cars to replace human driven cars.

If we're going to build what amounts to new infrastructure, shouldn't we build transportation infrastructure that does away with the need to own cars? At least for transport in urban and suburban areas.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by H8crilA »

stsmwg wrote: post #29

One of the questions I've repeatedly had regarding FSD (and Tesla's approach in particular) is the notion of memory. While a lot of these scenarios are disturbing, I've seen people wavering on lanes, exits and attempting to turn the wrong way onto one-way streets. People have memory, however. If we go through the same confusing intersection a few times, we'll learn how to deal with that specific intersection. It seem…

That's kind of the "selling point" of running this experiment on non-consenting public, that it will learn over time and something working will come out of that in the end.

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by deregulateMed »

Originally when Tesla was on the verge of collapse, the self driving technology waa high risk, high reward tech that will kill someone but the company was in the negative. If that killed Enough people, declare bankruptcy and investors lose money.

However today, isn't Tesla profitable now? They already have created a Veblen good, what benefit does Tesla get out of a high risk feature?

Re: Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by optimiz3 »

mrRandomGuy wrote: post #31
optimiz3 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> puts everybody and their children at risk Oh won't somebody think of the children? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Out of all the times to mock someone saying that, I don't think "self-driving-but-not-really-car nearly crashes into things and puts the occupants and bystanders at risk for serious bodily harm as evident by the videos posted above" is one of those times.

Wait till you read the stats and see videos of what humans driving cars regularly do!
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