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I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by tunap »

jaywalk wrote: post #34
nonameiguess wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they're breaking the law, the NSA still needs a warrant to request data if you're an American citizen. If you're the subject of an active investigation, law enforcement and spy agencies alike tend not to tell you that and are under no obligation to disclose anything. If the investigation is closed, then you can request data under a general FOIA request, but you'd have to know there was an investigation about y…

> You may or may not believe the NSA actually complies with the law If you believe that they do, I've got a bridge to sell you. Congress is entirely derelict in their duties of holding them accountable, and has been for a very long time.

Derelict? Perhaps. Complicit? Probable.

>FISA specifies two documents for the authorization of surveillance. First, FISA allows the Justice Department to obtain warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) before or up to 72 hours after the beginning of the surveillance. FISA authorizes a FISC judge to issue a warrant if "there is probable cause to believe that ... the target of the electronic surveillance is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power." 50 U.S.C. § 1805(a)(3).

Emphasis mine.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by ipaddr »

Aboh33 wrote: post #27
deregulateMed wrote: post #10

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

As someone who isn't involved in any illegal activity, I would welcome knowing why it feels I am overtly watched and tracked more so than others, especially in real-life.

How do you know you are being tracked more than others?

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by ComputerGuru »

tunap wrote: post #41
jaywalk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may or may not believe the NSA actually complies with the law If you believe that they do, I've got a bridge to sell you. Congress is entirely derelict in their duties of holding them accountable, and has been for a very long time.

Derelict? Perhaps. Complicit? Probable. >FISA specifies two documents for the authorization of surveillance. First, FISA allows the Justice Department to obtain warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) before or up to 72 hours after the beginning of the surveillance . FISA authorizes a FISC judge to issue a warrant if "there is probable cause to believe that ... the target of the electronic su…

So if surveillance doesn’t last 72 hours (one and done), does this verbiage leave any wiggle room for not needing a FISA warrant?

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by giantg2 »

bobsmooth wrote: post #38
nonameiguess wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they're breaking the law, the NSA still needs a warrant to request data if you're an American citizen. If you're the subject of an active investigation, law enforcement and spy agencies alike tend not to tell you that and are under no obligation to disclose anything. If the investigation is closed, then you can request data under a general FOIA request, but you'd have to know there was an investigation about y…

You don't need a warrant if one of your partner countries has already spied on your citizens and will share the data.

Or just buy the data from companies like ISPs, Google, and Facebook.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by giantg2 »

deregulateMed wrote: post #10

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

"I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious"

That's what the all say... now you're really screwed lol

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by wlesieutre »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #15
deregulateMed wrote: post #10

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Not knowledge, just random thoughts: Could they return "We can not give you that information because it is a matter of national security." (Although that's still a sign that they have info on you that they gathered from Big Tech). Or they could give you pages and pages covered with black rectangles from margin to margin. The scary thing is, they wouldn't have done any manual listening/monitoring, all the data can jus…

If they can deny you access to the info because of national security, then "still a sign that they have info" is a solved problem. They "can neither confirm nor deny any the existence of any information matching your request."

This is known as the "Glomar response" and dates back to the 1970s. I believe it hinges on "if the information existed it would be classified," otherwise they would be required to provide the info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by _trampeltier »

77pt77 wrote: post #16

What really worries me about this is that anyone can effectively request anyone else's data because there is no identity verification.

Since pretty every ID and all passports are leaked, it's almost impossible to verifie a person online.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by CrazyPyroLinux »

nonameiguess wrote: post #30
deregulateMed wrote: post #10

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Unless they're breaking the law, the NSA still needs a warrant to request data if you're an American citizen. If you're the subject of an active investigation, law enforcement and spy agencies alike tend not to tell you that and are under no obligation to disclose anything. If the investigation is closed, then you can request data under a general FOIA request, but you'd have to know there was an investigation about y…

> Unless they're breaking the law

http://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com/

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by kube-system »

_rmrf wrote: post #20

What do you think would happen if an european citizen were to request a GDPR data deletion of the US Department of Homeland Security? Is there any chance that they would comply?

From GDPR article 2:

> This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data:

> (d) by competent authorities for the purposes of the prevention, investigation, detection or prosecution of criminal offences or the execution of criminal penalties, including the safeguarding against and the prevention of threats to public security.

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