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I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Why would there be? You can't expect them to illegally surveil the whole population and then give you an easy procedural way to see what they have on you

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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post #16

What really worries me about this is that anyone can effectively request anyone else's data because there is no identity verification.

It is a crime under 5 USC 552a(i)(3) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a : > Any person who knowingly and willfully requests or obtains any record concerning an individual from an agency under false pretenses shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and fined not more than $5,000.

5,000$ USD might be worth it for a paparazzo or other neerdewel.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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post #2

You might not want to do this without good reason, it can get you put on some kind of list.

If nothing changes, humanity, being human, is basically done for. To me being well fed by virtue of being harmless would be like throwing away the core of what makes my life meaningful, just to extend it a bit. I lived too long in an upright position to be remotely tempted by that. All of us will be dead for an eternity, the one real difference we can make for ourselves is what kind of person we were. Compared to that the difference between living 5 minutes and 500 years doesn't even register, at least not to me.

And hey, as faint as that hope may be: if things do change in a positive manner, people might scramble to fake proof they (or their parents) weren't just idle or even complicit. The same list of persecuted dissidents today might tomorrow serve as a whitelist for voting rights, among other things.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Not knowledge, just random thoughts: Could they return "We can not give you that information because it is a matter of national security." (Although that's still a sign that they have info on you that they gathered from Big Tech). Or they could give you pages and pages covered with black rectangles from margin to margin. The scary thing is, they wouldn't have done any manual listening/monitoring, all the data can jus…

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Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

#26

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

> I'm not radical anymore

Nice try;)

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

#27

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

As someone who isn't involved in any illegal activity, I would welcome knowing why it feels I am overtly watched and tracked more so than others, especially in real-life.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

PRISM is simply the NSA’s internal designation for data that is sourced from FISA warrants. So, probably not.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a crime under 5 USC 552a(i)(3) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a : > Any person who knowingly and willfully requests or obtains any record concerning an individual from an agency under false pretenses shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and fined not more than $5,000.

5,000$ USD might be worth it for a paparazzo or other neerdewel.

I am not a lawyer but I would assume that in a case like that, the court would bring additional penalties equivalent to the profit made using the stolen property.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Unless they're breaking the law, the NSA still needs a warrant to request data if you're an American citizen. If you're the subject of an active investigation, law enforcement and spy agencies alike tend not to tell you that and are under no obligation to disclose anything. If the investigation is closed, then you can request data under a general FOIA request, but you'd have to know there was an investigation about you at some point. If nothing else, you'd find out upon being charged and your attorney would get all the data during discovery.

Obviously, a broad sweep program can collect unrelated data, which presumably was part of the concern with PRISM. This has sort of always been the case, i.e. if you put a bug in someone's house, you hear everything said in the house, whether by the subject of your investigation or their kids or a housekeeper or whatever. But whoever is listening is supposed to immediately throw away data as soon as they can determine it isn't needed for their investigation.

So theoretically, if they ever collected anything that came from you, and you were never the subject of an investigation that resulted in a warrant to collect on you, the data should have been discarded and could not be given to you.

You may or may not believe the NSA actually complies with the law, but if they don't, they're probably not going to tell you.

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