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I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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You might not want to do this without good reason, it can get you put on some kind of list.

I wondered about this, but I didn't know if it would really happen. Do we have any evidence for it?

When a police officer asks "do you know why I pulled you over?"

And you answer "I pled the fifth" instead of "no"

You did nothing wrong, but their spidy senses go wild. It's like that, but with more government paperwork and database updates.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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You might not want to do this without good reason, it can get you put on some kind of list.

> it can get you put on some kind of list. Could you please elaborate?

GP probably meant that if you collect data, you may as well collect the “they actually wanted to see what we have on them” field.

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

They give everything.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

Not knowledge, just random thoughts: Could they return "We can not give you that information because it is a matter of national security." (Although that's still a sign that they have info on you that they gathered from Big Tech). Or they could give you pages and pages covered with black rectangles from margin to margin.

The scary thing is, they wouldn't have done any manual listening/monitoring, all the data can just be fed into some big data computer[1] and it spits out your "threat index".

For a Black Mirror episode plot, the main character hangs out every Friday at a pizza place that Google Maps has mislabeled as a mosque. The "AI" misclassifies his watch on a recent Instagram photo as the Casio F-91W, he gets detained as he tries to reenter the country, with the FBI agents not knowing why he's a baddie other than the fact that the computer flagged him after his threat index jumped over a threshold.

[1] e.g. from the NSA whisteblower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread: "Hayden admitted that the analysis technology is the underlying basis of current NSA analysis techniques"

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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You might not want to do this without good reason, it can get you put on some kind of list.

If they have data on you, then you are already on a list. Circular logic. It just so happens everybody is on the list. There's no special treatment.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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What really worries me about this is that anyone can effectively request anyone else's data because there is no identity verification.

It is a crime under 5 USC 552a(i)(3) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a:

> Any person who knowingly and willfully requests or obtains any record concerning an individual from an agency under false pretenses shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and fined not more than $5,000.

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