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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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I don't really see what Elon actually does beyond cultivating public image and having money.

Let’s not go too far the other way now. He’s chief engineer at spacex for starters.

He's also the Technoking of Tesla. The titles don't mean much when he can make them up and give them to himself whenever he feels like it.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

Im amazed that you come to the conclusion that the people who work with this and risked their lives didn't have these obvious ideas rather than there is reasons why they wouldn't work that you dont understand.

What? The GP didn't come to that conclusion. It's pretty clear to me they're trying to understand the thought process of the rescuers and why they rejected the obvious ideas. Asking an expert why they decided against something obvious is a great way to learn what works and what doesn't work. It doesn't mean you're insinuating the expert is an idiot.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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When Musk first appeared I was hugely supportive. Definitely a fan of what he was doing both with SpaceX and Tesla. I'm still a fan of what those companies are doing but Elon has destroyed my view of him with his own behavior and words. We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs preten…

> We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Aren't there legal systems to make sure that's being done right? Is "we" some labor inspectors? If you want to give credit to engineers, where does it end? There are millions of engineers in the world doing important things. Crediting that many people will dilute the value of it all.

> Aren't there legal systems to make sure that's being done right? Is "we" some labor inspectors?

"We" can be past, current and future employees, who might not contact or work with labor inspectors out of reverence to "the mission" or Musk himself.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

He didn't 'talk shit' about a 'good faith attempt'.

Unsworth - who knew the cave system - said that Musk's idea was impractical and a PR stunt. Both of those claims are valid and came from a reliable source. During a crisis, there is no particular need to be polite to people getting in the way.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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It was never even remotely feasible. Musk's design was simply too large to fit through the restrictions in the cave. It's the kind of nonsense that only someone with no real diving experience could come up with.

Musk had no diving experience, and no knowledge of these caves. He was working from incomplete knowledge and intuition. Almost all of Musk's critics in the matter were working from no knowledge of the caves and little to no diving experience. Some of Musk's critics were working from the best available knowledge in both areas. But this diver points out exactly what Musk intuited. There was a much easier route for all…

You don’t seem to understand the power that a platform like Musk’s has. What if those humble cave divers thought Elon knows his stuff and pursued his plan instead of theirs? What if they got pressured by outside entities, whomever they maybe, and were told to follow him?

When it doesn’t go well “he’s just putting options on the table”. When it does he’s colossal genius?

The bigger issue people point out is Musk’s inability to know limits of his knowledge. He is naive and that’s news to a lot of people

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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What the fuck is this dark pattern? You must agree to ads before later revoking consent?

Well, at least they're being upfront about it: You can pay or get ads + tracking (or, the hidden third option: leave the site).

this is very common across German websites. I assumed it was a common pattern elsewhere too!

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

#139
post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

You ask as if these people were working with Iron Man and Jarvis. The things you describe would take at least weeks to build. “Full space suit like helmet with air to be able to talk over radio “ retrofitted to work with whatever dive equipment they had loll. What else? Maybe they could have a Mac n cheese dispenser in the side too

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

#140
post #81

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Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

As well as completely transforming many people's view of Musk (he ceased to be "the least bad billionaire" for many), the case also reflected extremely badly on the US legal system, showing that if you are rich enough you can get away with pretty much anything.

"Least bad billionaire" - isn't that Tony Stark, rather?
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