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Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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Short answer not really https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/

That's more a "we haven't made enough paint to cover a large fraction of the planet" argument than a "what would the thermal ramifications of such an act be" argument. Which I was excited to read about, but alas.

You would need a really big roller with a lot of knap too. Although I suppose you could paint most of the midwest and avoid the mountains with a flatter roller.

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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Are there any resources that catalog historical methods of passive cooling? Many of these methods are space efficient but not cost efficient, and many areas of the developing world (where these issues have the greatest impact) have all the space in the world and very limited access to funds.

I found the question interesting and found a few Wikipedia articles that might help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_cooling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bâdgir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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Short answer not really https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/

This makes me think: Earth's energy imbalance is around 0.5W/m2, while such a paint sends how much, 40W/m2 through the transparency window? So we'd only have to paint 1/80 of the Earth. That's ~6.4mln km2, or 2/3 the area of the USA. Still a lot, but not impossible. I'm sure paint manufacturing scales better than li-ion batteries, and those more than doubled in production volume over the last decade.

Interesting, but even if we solved the temperature problem, we would still have the issue of the acidification of the oceans due to excess CO2. In the end we must remove CO2 from the atmosphere one way or another.

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short answer not really https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/

That's more a "we haven't made enough paint to cover a large fraction of the planet" argument than a "what would the thermal ramifications of such an act be" argument. Which I was excited to read about, but alas.

For an interesting toy model related to this, check out Lovelock's Daisyworld simulation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisyworld

The argument (and the related Gaia hypothesis) has some important and subtle connections to the facts of climate change. Though even if it's correct, and the biosphere will tend to naturally reassert homeostasis, there's no guarantee we'll enjoy living through it.

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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I've been actively working on this technology, goal is making it cheaper and simplify installation. Stanford's a highly reflective surface ~95% combined with stacks layers of silica oxide on a wafer under vacume. The trick too achieving bellow ambient temperature is too reflect nearly all solar energy while emitting strongly in the "atmospheric window". Most silica compounds are well suited as emitters, however the h…

wouldn't large scale usage of a device like this essentially increase the planetary albedo and help fight climate change? especially if you just skip the "environmental heat transfer" part

There's some numbers here for what it would take.

https://www.cell.com/joule/pdf/S2542-4351(19)30354-X.pdf

Basically we need 1W/m^2 of cooling for the earth, so if you could get a radiative cooling device with 100W/m^2 you'd need to cover about 1% of Earth's area

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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I've been actively working on this technology, goal is making it cheaper and simplify installation. Stanford's a highly reflective surface ~95% combined with stacks layers of silica oxide on a wafer under vacume. The trick too achieving bellow ambient temperature is too reflect nearly all solar energy while emitting strongly in the "atmospheric window". Most silica compounds are well suited as emitters, however the h…

I'm really ignorant about this whole field.

Your work on passive radiative cooling doesn't sound like biotech or related to biotech but your link https://www.scihouse.space is a biotech lab.

I was just wondering the kind of education/knowledge someone who is working on the cooling technology would have, and was surprised to see a biotech background. So am wondering on the journey to get from biotech to whatever is needed for the cooling tech.

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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I've been actively working on this technology, goal is making it cheaper and simplify installation. Stanford's a highly reflective surface ~95% combined with stacks layers of silica oxide on a wafer under vacume. The trick too achieving bellow ambient temperature is too reflect nearly all solar energy while emitting strongly in the "atmospheric window". Most silica compounds are well suited as emitters, however the h…

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Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short answer not really https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/

This makes me think: Earth's energy imbalance is around 0.5W/m2, while such a paint sends how much, 40W/m2 through the transparency window? So we'd only have to paint 1/80 of the Earth. That's ~6.4mln km2, or 2/3 the area of the USA. Still a lot, but not impossible. I'm sure paint manufacturing scales better than li-ion batteries, and those more than doubled in production volume over the last decade.

All that would do is offset things so that we can pollute more. Not to mention the CO2 and other emissions from such a project. And it would ruin a huge amount of space because of course this would run into “not in my neighborhood”. It’s far better to fix the problem than to paint over it.

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Opening the windows at night and running fans to equalize the temperature, then putting space blankets over the windows for the day works wonders on hot days in upstate NY.

One question that I always wonder when hot days strike: Given that I only have one portable fan, what is the best setup at night if it is colder outside than inside: 1. Open the windows and put fan so that it blows air out of one window 2. Open the windows and have fan mix the air inside the room 3. Open the windows and put fan on balcony to blow air from outside in.

I had a similar problem in my previous house which didn't have central AC. The insulation in the house was great for about one day. But in an extended heatwave, outside 100F meant eventually inside 90F.

I got decent cooling results with two separate window fans, opposite sides of house, one blowing in one blowing out. Of course, all other windows are closed.

Depending on your window frame style, these types of dual fans fit inside a window frame and don't leak air. They can be set to: both in, 1 in 1 out, both out. So quite flexible. https://www.amazon.com/Bionaire-BW2300-N-Reversible-Airflow-...

A single window fan of the above style can cool a single room quite well, blowing cool air in and blowing hot air out.

As others have mentioned, depending on breeze and temperature, opening all the windows can sometimes work better than multiple fans.

Fans are just no substitute for a real AC unit, which can lower indoor air temp to below outside air temp and can also extract moisture from the inside air.

Re: Passive radiative cooling below ambient airtemperature under direct sun (2014) [pdf]

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So conceptually, this tech could be used for air-conditioning, during the bright summer day, without consuming electricity?

If so, that's pretty sweet.

Like at what scale does this work? How much is needed to cool, say, a 1000 sq ft apartment in nyc?

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