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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by dredmorbius » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

underseacables wrote: post #117

What is the primary cost issue preventing greater competition and hosted videos? Is it band with, storage space, or just infrastructure? It seems this arena is very crowded with producers yet everyone is beholden to YouTube. Why?

Copyright compliance, lawsuit threats, illegal activity, legal investigations, similar such aspects have been a bane of decentralised service provision since the 1990s, if not before.

One underappreciated role of a large, well-financed and well-capitalised publisher is in providing legal defence to both itself and its creators.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by flaque » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #209

flaque wrote: post #186

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Somewhat of a plug (apologies), but we're bootstrapping an open platform for video on top of RSS to solve this problem. It can play videos on (most) podcasting apps people already have on their phones. Here's an example: https://evan.streambus.com/rss/main.xml (try putting that into your podcasting app) We make a publishing tool for it with a linear/superhuman-like interface that's free to use. Since it's just RSS, i…

RSS is definitely a useful technology. What I discovered about PeerTube recently, as a Mastodon user, is that PeerTube feeds can be subscribed to / followed as any other Mastodon user. Possibly even aggregated instances (I'm still sorting out how this operates). This ... is actually more elegant and useful than RSS in numerous regards, at least for my workflows. (Though a flipside view might be that Mastodon / the Fe…

> This ... is actually more elegant and useful than RSS in numerous regards, at least for my workflows. (Though a flipside view might be that Mastodon / the Fediverse is more addictive and a greater timesuck).

I mostly agree with you on this. In fact, this concept somewhat came from a fediverse/activity_pub thing I was working on awhile ago: https://github.com/pubcast/pubcast

The concept of having an "inbox" and "outbox" and then just interlacing with everyone else really hits that part of my brain.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Popegaf » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

Once PeerTube adds a way for plugin developers to monetize videos without ads directly on peertube, it might become much more interesting to people trying to build a career making content. Right now, the only option is to link to other pages (mostly paypal and patreon) and hope to get supporters that way.

It's OK to keep it the way it is now, but there's friction in order to support content creators: you need at least one other account on another website in order to support at least one creator. I also doubt most people will support more than a few creators through those means.

A "donate as you watch" plugin or something would be very useful. Transfer funds at some frequency to your peertube/activitypub account, and define rules (or keep some reasonable default) of how that is distributed.

Examples:

- 100% of your funds go to your favorite creator - 90% to favorite creator, 10% to the next top 2 depending on accumulated watch time in a month - Funds are distributed proportionally to watch time in a month

Given that this is opensource and plugins are possible, there's a lot of room for innovation.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by briefcomment » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #142

briefcomment wrote: post #61

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> forced ads Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

How recently? Up until Wednesday last week, I believe every single ad was placed by the creator. Some just go more wild with it than others. (disclaimer- I work for the Goog)

Hm, this was a few weeks ago. I just thought it was ridiculous that a creator would put an ad every three minutes on a three hour video. I guess it's possible.

There were some other creators that I saw some less egregious but still questionable cadences with, which I thought would go against their general ethos (like ads every five minutes on an hour long video by a person who is generally against a culture of over-capitalization).

Maybe A/B tests?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by slinkyblack » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

pixxel wrote: post #175

slinkyblack wrote: post #148

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I would also argue that part of the reason for the escalation of ads is spread of ad blocking. They have fewer users they can monetize, so they have to monetize those users more.

Do you know the percentage of users that use ad blocking on YT?

No idea, but I know it's a self defeating cycle. I started blocking ads because they were getting annoying, I'm sure many other do the same.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by artificial » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:26 PM UTC

jsilence wrote: post #144

tehjoker wrote: post #106

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Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.

Because even if you pay they will eventually insert ads into your feed. See Amazon Prime lately. So what is the point?

Was it HBO that pioneered this model?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by maccard » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

Sr_developer wrote: post #202

maccard wrote: post #172

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Assuming it's 50MB compressed, about 0.1c per month to store it, 0.4c per view for bandwidth, plus cpu cost to stream it(unsure of how much this costs), plus transcoding costs on upload.(based on gcp storage costs) Then there's also the non-dollar cost of the access to the very sizeable YouTube audience that google curates. Comparing the cost of the actual hosting is silly though. Nobody thinks the value of hosting t…

> about 0.1c per month to store it, > 0.4c per view for bandwidth No. Those estimates are 1 order of magnitude wrong. You wouldnt even pay that much contracting the highest tiers in AWS/Azure/GC , let alone owning the infrastructure.

Those estimates are taken from the gcp pricing page [0] that say $0.02 (or 2c) per GB. Have you a source for your claim that I'm wrong?

[0] https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#price-tables

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by blooalien » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #192

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #143

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Who do you trust to run it?

Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy.

> "Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy."

In theory I wanna agree with you, but in practice, "representative bodies" often represent their corporate masters far more than they do the will of the people.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by the_third_wave » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:31 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #210

the_third_wave wrote: post #201

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Alternatively you host your videos on both your own Peertube site as well as Youtube and direct Youtube-visitors to either Peertube, Invidious [2] or - if they're using Android - NewPipe. If they are command-line savvy they can use youtube-dl or one of the mediaplayers which make use of its functionality (mpv, VLC, smplayer etc). In other words there are many ways to both have your cake and eat it here. Self-hosted P…

Is Invidious anything other than a YouTube proxy? Is there Invidious-native content? (Mind: the proxy feature is quite usfeul. It's also ... limited and limiting.)

No, it is only a proxy. For native content Peertube is a good option, I've been running it for a few years without any real problems, starting out on a machine with a Pentium E2220 and 2GB of RAM (video transcoding was... slow... but once transcoded it worked fine), later moving to less anaemic hardware.

Invidious is useful for more than just filtering out ads, it actually makes Youtube content useable on older hardware - like the Thinkpad T42p I'm using right now - where the "official" interface and player are close to useless. When configured correctly - i.e. when videos are proxied through the server - it keeps your video viewing habits out of Google's hands. It makes it possible to follow channels without Google knowing about it. It can not help against censorship, when Google removes content it can no longer be accessed through Invidious. I've used Peertube to mirror Youtube channels which have had videos removed which does help against censorship - run a cron job to monitor a channel for changes and mirror new videos to Peertube. All of this can be done anonymously - I do not even have a Google or Youtube account.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by huslage » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:31 PM UTC

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Just here to point out that you can actually pay for YouTube. It's $12/mo (https://www.youtube.com/premium).

I don't get any ads at all. Ever. Other than those "sponsorships" that are just as annoying.