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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by tehjoker »

freeopinion wrote: post #171
tehjoker wrote: post #106

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Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.

The concept of "publicly owned" is interesting. When a company is listed on an open stock exchange and anybody is allowed to purchase a piece of ownership and be able to vote as a shareholder, that is "privately owned." When a "company" is controlled by the government and the public has no say in who is appointed to make decisions for that organization, the company is "publicly owned." For a publicly owned entity, th…

> 90% of all stock is owned institutionally. It is impossible to compare the stock market with a representative democracy. In the former, the wealthy rule, in the latter, the poor have a chance by virtue of sheer numbers.

In a private company, you have no chance of appeal. In a government, you at least have elections. The worst most corrosive parts of our government come from its contact with the wealthy and the corporate sector and those aspiring to become them.

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Post by tehjoker »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #143
tehjoker wrote: post #106

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Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.

Who do you trust to run it?

Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by peakaboo »

josteink wrote: post #181
regularfry wrote: post #140

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They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

> They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience. Agreed. But they didn’t do this until after providing you with the option to pay for ad-free. If ads bother you that much really , just put up and pay for it. Your problem will be solved across all your machines, devices, phones, tablets and TVs i…

Google created this "problem" and they also created a "solution" for it.

A better solution is to move away from YouTube, if at all possible.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by savingsPossible »

duxup wrote: post #74
wintermutestwin wrote: post #71

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I would pay a sub for YouTube due to the value provided if they, in turn, paid me for the data they have stolen from me. Of course, if I get to name my price in this "free market," they would be paying me far more than they could reasonably charge for YT. And really, why would I want to give money to an abusive company? I keep hearing this lament that everyone just wants stuff for free. I think it is a distraction fr…

> these surveillance companies are the ones getting high value data for petty baubles Because we give it to them. The end user's choices matter here.

"give" only in the technical sense.

"did not turn off third party cookies" should not equate "authorized this company to log about every site I visit"

(of course, if you are on youtube itself, that is another matter -- but you are replying to, I think, a more general comment about the two sides and the value they obtain/extract from each other)

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by syrrim »

rchaud wrote: post #151
Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #116

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> However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years. It has absolutely been an issue. If you listen in on the earnings call, shareholders have been asking for YouTube revenue for years. Google has to show it can be a profitable business.

Asking about revenue is not the same as asking about profit. In any case, the 80-20 principle still applies. Monetizing already successful content categories will deliver far more profit than long-tail niche content that far fewer people see.

It the tail is fat, then it absolutely matters to youtube that it is monetized as well. The value proposition of youtube over traditional media has long been that it offers a chance for individuals to be seen, though I don't know to what degree that is still the primary value. Even if it isn't, it costs more per view for youtube to serve less popular videos, since they still need to be distributed around the world. Even if it isn't necessary, it would still be fair for those videos to see at least as much advertising.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by pta2002 »

forbiddenvoid wrote: post #150
regularfry wrote: post #140

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They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

What monopoly? I could buy the search monopoly position, but not video.

If anything, YouTube is even more of a monopoly than Google, because while other search engines can index the same internet and show similar results, YouTube competitors don't have the creators behind them to create content for them, and the creators don't want to create content for these platforms since they don't have the users.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by crazygringo »

Chris2048 wrote: post #165
crazygringo wrote: post #123

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Google isn't having problems monetizing... their business model is entirely realistic, in fact it's wildly successful. Perhaps the business deal was too good before, and now it's merely good? Previously it was "acceptable" for them to store and host your videos for zero cost and show them without ads, and now you think it's "unrealistic" for them to finally cover those costs with ads?

> their business model .. wildly successful On what basis? They has an old model, build up the success of the platform, then changed the model. On what basis can we judge the new model successful versus the momentum of the old model?

> On what basis?

Literally the line that says "YouTube ads" in their quarterly report?

2020 Q1 was $4 billion, 2021 Q1 was $6 billion. [1]

Seems like wild success to me. But, you know, keep checking for the next few quarters if you're convinced Google is killing their golden goose. They've got some pretty smart business analysts and product people over there though, I wouldn't bet against them.

[1] https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/20210428_alphabet_10Q.pd...

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by goatmeal »

ergot_vacation wrote: post #155
RL_Quine wrote: post #6

It's pretty hard to imagine what people think they gain by "switching" to PeerTube. Beyond idealism, there's not a whole lot going for the platform technically; it isn't peer to peer meaningfully. It would be better to just claim you are paying to self host your videos, which is what the author is doing.

I think Peertube is "marketed" in the wrong way, perhaps inescapably. Making a simple video-hosting platform is going to invite comparisons to Youtube, but Frama is very clear they don't see themselves that way. Peertube is NOT an alternative to Youtube, and it can't be with the tiny team working on it. However, it does have one edge-case use that's come up a few times. If you have a few bucks, moderate technical kno…

discoverability isn't zero. you need a foothold on other parts of the fediverse so that people know who you are and once you have that people will subscribe and share.
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