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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ikiris »

doublejay1999 wrote: post #58
izacus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now. (It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

this is the shittiest take. does youtube expect him to keep giving them content free forever ? without contributing to his production costs ?

Which do you think costs more?

I can tell you the marginal value for most all content is basically zero. The hosting costs aren't.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by denimnerd42 »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #96
ghaff wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

Wait, isn't YouTube premium this and basically no one uses it

I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by MikusR »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #102
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, isn't YouTube premium this and basically no one uses it

I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.

https://vancedapp.com/

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by leephillips »

In the early days of TV, when the first broadcast licenses were being granted, there was a legislative proposal to make advertising on TV illegal. It was defeated, resulting in a century of TV that was largely a wasteland in the service of the tobacco and fast food industries. We have a political choice.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ghaff »

fouric wrote: post #95
ghaff wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clay Shirky wrote a couple of decades ago about the problem of mental transaction costs associated with paying a few cents to read an article or consume some other sort of media. I still tend to agree with that. If it were just a technology or network effect problem, I have to believe it would have been solved given how many media payment issues could in principle be solved by micropayments.

I don't buy this argument, for a couple of reasons. First, for large classes of media, the energy required to consume the media is much larger than the mental cost of even an explicit microtransaction - e.g. the energy required to decide whether or not I want to pay 10c to watch a 10 minute educational video is dwarfed by the energy spent watching the video itself, and probably comparable to the cost of watching 10 s…

>People want it to be free.

I'm not sure we're even disagreeing. Of course, people want things to be free as the default condition. Which is what sets up the mental transaction cost when something isn't free. And we see this in all sorts of settings. It's quite well established that there's a bigger gulf between free and really cheap than there is between really cheap and just cheap.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by tehjoker »

ghaff wrote: post #83
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by michaelt »

clord wrote: post #8

What are the per-viewer costs these days to host video files on a plain web server? Perhaps with a CDN?

This guy's videos are deleted, but a different SolveSpace guide [1] is a 78MB download, and the most-viewed solvespace content on youtube has 10,000 views for a total of 780 gigabytes.

Some of the most expensive cloud bandwidth is AWS egress, which costs $0.09 per gigabyte for the most expensive band [2]. So we're looking at $70 per video. Plus of course the price of your time to get everything set up and working right.

Of course, you could undoubtedly get lower prices - either with an 'unlimited traffic' VPS if you're a small user, or by getting into a cheaper CDN pricing tier if you're a large user.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROPkh6YosE [2] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/?nc2=type_a

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ghaff »

api wrote: post #93
ghaff wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S3 can make sense for lightweight hosting of media files. I pay less than I would for a VPS. That said, if I were starting from scratch, I'd probably use Backblaze B2 because I believe they let you set hard quotas. But, yes, in general for an individual hobby site, I'd choose an option that resulted in a hug of death rather than a big bill.

I think you can set quotas on S3 somehow too.

You can set alerts but not hard quotas. This is a perpetual topic of debate around pretty much all the big cloud providers. They're really set up for companies that presumably don't want to "burn everything down" if they get a usage spike or screw something up. But it makes them at least something of a risk for an individual who absolutely doesn't want to wake up to a $3K bill under any circumstances.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

duxup wrote: post #74
wintermutestwin wrote: post #71

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I would pay a sub for YouTube due to the value provided if they, in turn, paid me for the data they have stolen from me. Of course, if I get to name my price in this "free market," they would be paying me far more than they could reasonably charge for YT. And really, why would I want to give money to an abusive company? I keep hearing this lament that everyone just wants stuff for free. I think it is a distraction fr…

> these surveillance companies are the ones getting high value data for petty baubles Because we give it to them. The end user's choices matter here.

But should the audience pay or the creators? I can pay a subscription to watch videos but the creators may choose another video hosting service. So this only works if it's a monopoly, or if the services agrees to create a federation. Looks like PeerTube is better suited for this than Youtube but who should I pay and how do hosting platforms pay each creator wherever they host their content?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by srswtf123 »

leephillips wrote: post #104

In the early days of TV, when the first broadcast licenses were being granted, there was a legislative proposal to make advertising on TV illegal. It was defeated, resulting in a century of TV that was largely a wasteland in the service of the tobacco and fast food industries. We have a political choice.

> We have a political choice.

Do we though? It seems to me that a few very wealthy people have choices. The rest of us are simply along for the ride.

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