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Post by freeopinion »

tehjoker wrote: post #106
ghaff wrote: post #83

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Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.

The concept of "publicly owned" is interesting. When a company is listed on an open stock exchange and anybody is allowed to purchase a piece of ownership and be able to vote as a shareholder, that is "privately owned." When a "company" is controlled by the government and the public has no say in who is appointed to make decisions for that organization, the company is "publicly owned." For a publicly owned entity, the public can, in theory, vote in a politician who can appoint somebody to appoint somebody to control the entity.

So privately owned companies can be directly controlled by their owners in proportion to the amount of ownership. Publicly owned companies cannot usually be directly controlled by their owners, but can be indirectly controlled in proportion to the political power of the owner.

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Post by maccard »

Chris2048 wrote: post #158
Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #149

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> I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. You understand the costs involved to serve billions of hours of video a day yet still block the ads used to help sustain the site? Why not pay for premium?

What are the costs involved in hosting for a single 10 minute 720p video?

Assuming it's 50MB compressed, about 0.1c per month to store it, 0.4c per view for bandwidth, plus cpu cost to stream it(unsure of how much this costs), plus transcoding costs on upload.(based on gcp storage costs)

Then there's also the non-dollar cost of the access to the very sizeable YouTube audience that google curates.

Comparing the cost of the actual hosting is silly though. Nobody thinks the value of hosting the nyt cooking site comes from the engineering behind the website, it comes from the content stored. The exact same. Thing is true here, the value of your video being on youtube is it being in a storefront.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

freeopinion wrote: post #163
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #132

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I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

The original submission here is related to solvespace. Why would solvespace want to have a bigger audience for these videos than just the people who visit their site? And why couldn't they meet the streaming needs of that audience just as well as youtube? If you are trying to reach a larger and larger audience beyond your own abilities to stream, it sounds like you yourself are advertising. So you are annoyed that th…

Personally I’d miss the discoverability that YouTube provides. Actually I miss it already since they nerfed their algorithm. Maybe we should be building better directories and searches?

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Post by justbored123 »

regularfry wrote: post #140
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #132

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I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

You know that you can pay the same that you pay for Netflix and have no adds right?

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Post by pixxel »

slinkyblack wrote: post #148
regularfry wrote: post #140

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They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

I would also argue that part of the reason for the escalation of ads is spread of ad blocking. They have fewer users they can monetize, so they have to monetize those users more.

Do you know the percentage of users that use ad blocking on YT?

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Post by freeopinion »

mavsman wrote: post #85
briefcomment wrote: post #61

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> forced ads Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

I once swore to myself that I'd never monetize videos. Now my small-time channel has ads before my videos and I don't even have enough watch-time (yet) to monetize them to grab the pennies that could be mine. Once I do have the watch-time (4000 hours per year) to monetize, I will feel sleazy about it but I don't think it would make any difference to viewers, I'll just be taking the pennies I deserve.

You can monetize your videos from day 1. Just line up sponsors. If you want you can embed ads for your sponsors.

Oh, wait, you mean you can't monetize without exerting some actual effort? How is that Youtube's fault?

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Post by markzzerella »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #132
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

Google could easily figure out how to distribute the bandwidth and storage costs of that were a priority.

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Post by freeopinion »

elwell wrote: post #114
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Can you add advertiser-unfriendly content to your video to avoid YouTube forcing ads?

You can add advertiser-unfriendly content. You can add Youtube-unfriendly content. But that won't necessarily prevent Youtube from forcing ads.

Or... you could route around Youtube completely. Why do you use a service with which you are unfriendly?

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Post by denimnerd42 »

MikusR wrote: post #103
denimnerd42 wrote: post #102

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I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.

https://vancedapp.com/

i used to be all about these workarounds when I was younger. now $10/mo saves a lot of hassle.

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Post by fouric »

criddell wrote: post #146
fouric wrote: post #125

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> How would it work with not creating an account? Notice that they said "yet another account" - I'm pretty sure that they're not objecting to the idea of creating a single account for the micropayments service, but instead creating a separate account for each individual service that they could instead use micropayments for. > A good password manager can make creating an account almost effortless. Maybe that's part of…

I don't know about Google Pay, but I believe Apple Pay uses the payment tokenization scheme from EMVCo. Sites don't get your primary account number (PAN), they get a generated number that is linked to that number. SecurityNow did a podcast about it (episode 477).

Right - that's an argument to use a centralized payment service (which Apple Pay, Google Pay, Paypal, etc. (probably) fulfill). I (might have mis-)read that part of your post as being about micro-payment systems not being necessary.

I'm not sure whether or not Google & Apple pay are "micro-" enough, though. Do they charge per-transaction fees that are significant enough that 5 cent transactions are infeasible? What's the transaction time like? Can you set up 1-click payments?

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