Twitter censors and then gets censored.
The circle of life.
Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is also the context that Twitter refused to remove blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets during the farmers' protests in which the Red Fort was breached similar to the Capitol Hill riots. Also, more recently, Twitter has refused to remove clearly manipulated media intended to inflame Hindu-Muslim communal riots.
Placement of a flag on an empty red fort is simply not comparable to a sustained attack and attempt to kill legislators on Capitol hill.
Mostly peaceful, I'd say.
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#183The article misses some more context. 1. The escalation intensified after tweets by prominent ministers and fucntionaries of the ruling government were marked as "manipulated media" 2. The IT Ministers and opposition partys accounts were locked for copyright infringement. 3. The govt wants twitter to comply on removing content and users critical of govt policies. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/manipulate…
There is also the context that Twitter refused to remove blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets during the farmers' protests in which the Red Fort was breached similar to the Capitol Hill riots. Also, more recently, Twitter has refused to remove clearly manipulated media intended to inflame Hindu-Muslim communal riots.
The Red Fort Breach as you call it is nowhere similar with the Capitol riot. Not from any meaningful dimension.
The Red Fort is merely a tourist spot from where the PM addresses the nation on Independence Days.
On the other hand, the Capitol is a significant seat of power in the US. The Capitol was breached when the vote was being counted to confirm the win of a Presidential candidate, to stop it.
One breach was to undermine democracy itself. Another was to merely attract attention to their cause.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was done in poor taste indeed, but really blatant abuse of the National Security Act. This does appear to be more of a political move than anything. And there in lies the problem when such laws with broad interpretations go into effect, a government in power can leverage it to their gains. All they need is a technicality on which to trap someone.
Actually, there is a much more sinister systematic problem underneath this, which imo makes this sort of political abuse of law to curtail dissent seem like a minor issue in comparison. India seems to have completely given up on any attempt to genuinely implement common law principles that judicial systems worldwide are based on. Instead of conviction and eventual prison being the goal (along with the presumption of…
The most sinister issue here is that if india wasnt a key ally against china, pakistan and others in the region it would be called for what it is. It is anything but a “democracy”, and while not at the same level as china treats uighurs or burma its rohinga, india still have the dalit and a rather weird caste system. Also i highly doubt india’s government is democratically elected, given the huge numbers of people left behind and rampant corruption. A shame for a country with such rich history.
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#185Fire the Indian employees and close your office there, problem solved. The beauty of the Internet is that you don't have to have an office in every country where your service is available.
Not worth when your revenue increases by millions of dollars every quarter.
Peanuts. I am actually angry at companies like twitter and such doing business there while neglecting the plight of the dalit and the raging corruption going on. But like china and uighurs not much we can do about india and its dalit discrimination. Cheap labour and cheap products plus a strategic ally in the region trump human rights.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is also the context that Twitter refused to remove blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets during the farmers' protests in which the Red Fort was breached similar to the Capitol Hill riots. Also, more recently, Twitter has refused to remove clearly manipulated media intended to inflame Hindu-Muslim communal riots.
Somehow this does not register well with free speech enthusiasts. As much as twitter removes or labels one set of media, it also refuses to remove or label another set of media. It is unfortunate that what is true and false has devolved into the hands of global corporates, whose interests and ideology is often different from the environment it operates in.
> Somehow this does not register well with free speech enthusiasts
It registers fine. What you may be glossing over is that Twitter itself has free speech - so it is free to do this, unless you have something akin to a fairness doctrine.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you are a global MNC with multi billion dollar valuation, What if you're none of those? Is it still fair to require a local presence for every single site / app / network to have access to a population?
The regulations only apply to platforms with at least 5 million registered users.
Fastmail, Disqus and a good chunk of subreddits could easily have 5 million registered users in India, and they are not billion-dollar MNCs (not sure about the valuation of the first 2)
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are simply placing an absurd requirement on the reader. The article is pretty clear. New exemptions are being added to the law. Is this true or false?
He is not imposing any requirements on the reader, just reporting his own experience and indicating how his claims can be double checked, should you so wish. A claim of "lots of liberal media are lying about an Indian law" cannot be refuted by citing that same media, and making him say it repeatedly doesn't seem likely to yield any further insight.
He could just quote or reference the particular part of the bill/law in question instead of asking the reader to read the entire thing.
He also does not respond to simple yes/no questions. Does the law relax the restrictions on child labour for family businesses- yes/no? Several paragraphs about programmer brain, but no answer to simple yes/no questions.
How absurd is it that several dozen media articles cant be trusted, but an hn comment about programmer brain debugging the law, with no citations, must be trusted.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, there is a much more sinister systematic problem underneath this, which imo makes this sort of political abuse of law to curtail dissent seem like a minor issue in comparison. India seems to have completely given up on any attempt to genuinely implement common law principles that judicial systems worldwide are based on. Instead of conviction and eventual prison being the goal (along with the presumption of…
The most sinister issue here is that if india wasnt a key ally against china, pakistan and others in the region it would be called for what it is. It is anything but a “democracy”, and while not at the same level as china treats uighurs or burma its rohinga, india still have the dalit and a rather weird caste system. Also i highly doubt india’s government is democratically elected, given the huge numbers of people le…
Obviously troll comment from a throwaway account with negative karma. I don't know if i should even bother replying.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
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But Uighurs are being oppressed due to religion, it’s just the generic religious oppression that China applies to everyone. Heck, even if racism and dissidence wasn’t involved, there is still oppression that is or was rather common in the rest of China (eg re-education work camps weren’t invented in Xinjiang). There is plenty of room for both sides to play on technical truths, perhaps the same is happening in India (…
> But Uighurs are being oppressed due to religion, it’s just the generic religious oppression that China applies to everyone.
Reporting claims that (1) the Uyghurs are suffering under much more oppression than other Chinese groups, such as live-in minders and a legal ban on owning kitchen knives; and (2) this is because of their religion.
These two claims cannot both be true. Islam is one of the traditional religions of China, and it benefits from legal and social recognition not given to e.g. Christianity. You are free to make the argument that Western reporters are hallucinating or lying about what is happening to the Uyghurs. Or to make the argument that reports of the Uyghurs' oppression are accurate. But you can't make the argument that the reported oppression is due to religion, or that it's just another example of the same oppression that other groups experience.
If you asked the Chinese, they'd tell you that Uyghur oppression comes from the Chinese not wanting to have their schools bombed.