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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Nothing sinister when demagogues want to shut down the free press to cement their own power?

Twitter is the complete opposite of "the free press". Twitter's admins arbitrarily remove content that they disagree with, while allowing content they do agree with, regardless of whether said content is illegal or not.

Twitter provides a platform for people who would otherwise have no media representation. A lot of news regularly breaks there and a lot of discourse that the regime is unable to control, also happens there. It is as critical as any "free press" in a country like India where the regular press kow tows to the regime and the country is ranked at 142 for press freedom. https://rsf.org/en/india

You take it away and you take away more "free press" from the citizens of India.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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They should just shut their dev center in India and ask staff to relocate. The government can easily block them, but the optics of that would not look right. So this whole play around law and regulations.

AFAIK, there is no India dev center. Just operational centers which oversee the operational and support work done by 3rd party organizations.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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There is definitely something going on with Indian Govt and Twitter. When the farmer's protest was on its peak, on my timeline I saw Jack Dorsey's activity liking tweets critical and mocking the current govt. I was totally shocked by Jack Dorsey's passive behaviour - you need to model and exhibit non neutral stance especially when you are the messenger of the information. Needless to say, with great power comes great responsibility.

Jack Dorsey should stop acting like he is the sole flag bearer of the free speech in the entire world. Blocking Trump because he made calls for violence makes total sense, but passively liking and expressing your political likings and stance as CEO of twitter is is not cool & ethical. If you are publicly expressing your ideologies, god knows what goes behind the scenes at Twitter. I am just wondering what I will do as an employee of Twitter, if I doesn't agree with with the ideologies of my CEO and expressing otherwise. I am not sure ideologies is the right word, but I hope I get my point across.

I always give benefit of doubt where it's due, but Twitter has definitely something sinister going with their Indian Operations. If Indian companies goes abroad they are expected to follow local laws, and if Twitter wants to operate in India it must give way to the law of the land.

Additional Context: Twitter user of 12 years, NRI with no political leanings at all.

One of Twitters recent mishaps: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/twitter-drops-removes-...

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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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They should just shut their dev center in India and ask staff to relocate. The government can easily block them, but the optics of that would not look right. So this whole play around law and regulations.

India could prohibit companies doing business in India from doing business (read: advertise) on Twitter. That's the real threat.

And companies outside India would further think twice before doing any business in india. Its not as if India has a stellar reputation for enabling global countries to invest in India.

This is a bigger issue than it appears and both sides can lose big based on the outcome.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a polit…

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>Most people are just repeating something they've heard, and couldn't analyze the merits of a claim if they wanted to.

This is something I have thought about a bit over last several years. A lot of people I trust to have good intentions seem to regularly indulge in untruths or exaggerations to rile up support for their cause.

One particular example that comes to mind is how pretty much all liberal voices (including nobel peace prize winner Kalyan Sathyarthi) spread lies about a child labour bill in India that was passed in 2016. All of them were saying in unison that this bill was weakening the existing child labour laws and will allow all sort of child exploitation. So, I decided to read the bill and the original act that the bill was supposed to amend. I was stunned. There was absolutely no truth to the claims. The bill was actually making the child labour law much, much more stringend and I, even with my programmer in bug-fixing mode brain, couldn't conjure up a single hypothetical scenario where a child was forbidden from working earlier would now be allowed to work. So why were all these people lying? Why would Kalyan Sathyarthi, of all people, who has saved hundreds of thousands of children from child labour and trafficking, lie about something that pertains directly to his life's work?

The only explanation I could think of is that perhaps the law didn't go as far enough or didn't include certain amendments as they wanted and this was their way of pressurizing the government to listen to them. But that still left a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps this is something my brain, trained to value truth above everything else, isn't quite mature enough to understand.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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in india at least there is a saying "you are doing this on your own responsibility". and this relates to an employee going for a job or doing something weird or students applying for college. what this means is, twitter is supposed to be responsible for their inability to cooperate with the crony government and any action they would be taking.

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

you are all over this thread making bad faith arguments.

Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people. Politics is a dirty business and that is as true in India as it is in the US. You would struggle to make the case that the duly elected president of the USA, one Mr Trump, was anything but a con-man whose primary aim was the enrichment of himself and those in his circle.

A voting system is just that - a voting system. Don't confuse it with a robust democracy.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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What it has to do with dev center? Their work is for global twitter platform.

But if they are within India they would be vulnerable to Indian law enforcement.

It makes no difference. They can fine Twitter no matter where they are. If Twitter refuse to pay they can sanction any business using Twitter basically killing Twitter in India. Twitter would do almost anything to make sure this doesn't happen.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a polit…

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But Uighurs are being oppressed due to religion, it’s just the generic religious oppression that China applies to everyone. Heck, even if racism and dissidence wasn’t involved, there is still oppression that is or was rather common in the rest of China (eg re-education work camps weren’t invented in Xinjiang). There is plenty of room for both sides to play on technical truths, perhaps the same is happening in India (I have no idea).

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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> In a court filing on Monday, New Delhi said Twitter has lost its immunity in India after the American social network failed to comply with the new local IT rules, which were unveiled in February and went into effect in late May. This is even more worrying when the “laws kicking in” are laws the government passed unilaterally without discussion a couple of months ago precisely to prevent dissent on social media. Fur…

Why is GST imllementation "pathetic"? Could you elaborate?

For one thing payment to state governments not ruled by the BJP the party at the center) have been indefinitely delayed. States have been complaining about this, they have lost significant revenue, and are practically held under ransom.
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