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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by throw_m239339 »

skytreader wrote: post #117
mastazi wrote: post #17

I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

Learning German for the better part of the last two years, I agree with the thought of your comment. The only way I could wrap my head around the notorious German genders is by divorcing myself of the English concept that gender in language depends completely on the object referred to. Rather, I had to see gender as an arbitrary grammatical category; so just get used to it! However, I (an armchair linguist, I should…

> your language affects your world view.

It absolutely does. That's why learning new languages can heavily widen one's perspective.

That's also why people who can influence word definitions, especially legal ones, are the most influent and powerful people on earth.

Talking about French, the English word "mortgage" always sounded extremely sinister from a French perspective, given its linguistic implications.

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Post by mistrial9 »

lunfard00 wrote: post #183
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

It is super irritating to apply to american companies, most of them ask for your race (optional input) and list latin and white as different options. I am white as milk from a Latin America country I dont know what I am suppose to complete. I consider myself latin but companies may think I am not brown enough to fit the category.

you may be looking for :

G. CRISTINA MORA , Making Hispanics: How Activists, Bureaucrats and Media Constructed a New American (Chicago, Chicago University Press, 2014)

https://www.igs.berkeley.edu/people/g-cristina-mora-0

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Post by Miraste »

peter422 wrote: post #182
slumdev wrote: post #173

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I thought making everyone cartoon yellow was more empowering. Especially on the Internet, with pseudonymity, we're all nothing more than the ideas we present. An egalitarian dream was twisted into a woke nightmare for bad actors to earn free PR by pitting people against each other.

Why is yellow the “neutral” color? Why not black, or red, or white? Letting people pick whatever color seems more empowering to me.

Because no one is bright yellow irl unless they're a few days from dying of cirrhosis.

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Post by okaram »

zanethomas wrote: post #179
sokoloff wrote: post #32

> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

>This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps It's a dangerous time when it's considered dangerous to express an opinion.

Meh ... saying it is dangerous doesn't make it so.

By saying it, you both get to piss on the 'woke' (which I assume this person is not), plus, if you happen to say any of the quiet parts out loud, you are somewhat protected.

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Post by throw_m239339 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #208
throw_m239339 wrote: post #202

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> He was fired because many employees refused to work with him. How can you employ someone who can't communicate with his coworkers? No, Google is huge, they could have put that guy in another team or whatever. He was fired because someone leaked his memo and the press managed to make it bad PR for google. He was fired for PR reasons nothing more, in an era that was all about "girls in tech" in a patronizing fashion.

Teams have to work with each other. If he needs help from someone who is disgusted by his manifesto google has a problem.

> If he needs help from someone who is disgusted by his manifesto google has a problem.

This is mostly a cultural issue. Being professional is being able to work with people you fundamentally disagree with from a political perspective. But maybe Google shouldn't be a space where people discuss wedge issues to begin with, or write memos about anything on the matter.

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Post by bradlys »

cudgy wrote: post #108
CydeWeys wrote: post #83

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You don't solve problems (or racism) by ignoring them, and your experience as a white person in another majority white country is not particularly informative on the experience of a black person in a country with the history of systematic enslavement of, disenfranchisement of, and discrimination against black people. A head in the sand approach isn't workable. It was the black employees themselves who were most vocal…

Interesting. Can you name a country that does not have a history of systematic enslavement? Perhaps the commenter is living in a Slavic country where whites were enslaved?

Slavery is just one aspect. Almost no one in Slavic countries (afaik) complains about slavery affecting them to this day because - in all likelihood - probably somewhat difficult to tell who is descendant of slaves and who isn’t. Isn’t as difficult to tell in the US. And the policy that followed after the end of slavery wasn’t done to help those who had been slaves or were descendants of slaves… the policy tried to make them second or third rate citizens. So, the consequences of those things are still felt to this day and are very real. It’s why so many cities in the US are heavily segregated to this day. (Look at a racial dot map of Chicago)

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Post by mikestew »

drewcoo wrote: post #168
blacktriangle wrote: post #118

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Bonus points when they don't even get it right, as in this case. "Someone typed 'nazi', better get that Wikipedia URL on the clipboard, stat!"

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by rocqua »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #102
rocqua wrote: post #77

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A problem I have heard female friends speculate about is with promoting women in higher positions. If the female population is too low, and you try to get them into higher positions, two effects occur according to this theory. First of all, with a low female population there probably aren't enough proven and qualified women to fill the desired number of slots. This leads to imposter syndrome / worry about people thin…

You assume that all applicants are of equal attainment, ability, and motivation. However, women have to fight an in-built discrimination. While men are more forced into work because our gender role expects it of us. Thus, women who are candidates for promotion are likely to be more motivated and more ambitious than their male counterparts - they've had to fight harder against more obstacles to get to that point. I se…

> Thus, women who are candidates for promotion are likely to be more motivated and more ambitious than their male counterparts - they've had to fight harder against more obstacles to get to that point.

This is very much the case if promotions are done without considering gender diversity. This can be compensated for by considering gender diversity when looking at applicants. However, that compensation can overshoot. This is especially likely if, for internal promotions, a goal of diversity is set that is too high compared to the total number of women already in the company.

That specific overshoot, caused by having diversity goals that are too ambitious given the number of women in the company, is what my comment was about. I raised the issue because women have raised it to me. Specifically when discussing blanket boardroom diversity quotas that were being considered by politicians in the Netherlands. Such quotas are more likely to cause this specific scenario, because they are made without consideration for the fraction of women working in the company, or even industry.

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Post by jedberg »

curiousgal wrote: post #35
bko wrote: post #29

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Google does track orientation of employees. They have a breakdown of intersectional hiring in their 2019 report. It may be voluntarily reported. But the + doesn't stand for orientation. I don't see how being gay makes you any more or less of a racial identity https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/93d9a4094693cb78...

According to this[0] people can self-identify as "Black+" so if it's purely racial how could people self-identify as that? 0. https://developers.google.com/learn/certificates

> so if it's purely racial how could people self-identify as that?

Mixed race people. My kids would be Asian+ and White+ for example.

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