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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tasubotadas »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

>LGBTTQQIAAP

I had to look up if this acronym was some kind of joke.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by throw_m239339 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #171
eplanit wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google infamously fired a male engineer for speculating on such things. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google's_Ideological_Echo_Ch...

He was fired because many employees refused to work with him. How can you employ someone who can't communicate with his coworkers?

> He was fired because many employees refused to work with him. How can you employ someone who can't communicate with his coworkers?

No, Google is huge, they could have put that guy in another team or whatever. He was fired because someone leaked his memo and the press managed to make it bad PR for google. He was fired for PR reasons nothing more, in an era that was all about "girls in tech" in a patronizing fashion.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by dahfizz »

sneak wrote: post #181
zanethomas wrote: post #179

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>This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps It's a dangerous time when it's considered dangerous to express an opinion.

It's always been dangerous to express unpopular opinions. It may be less dangerous here and now than most places in history.

This is a retort I see online a lot, and it is not a good one.

When people say how its dangerous to voice opinions nowadays, they aren't using medieval Europe as a reference point (where it was also very dangerous to voice unpopular opinions). The reference point people use is their own experiences online from ~10 years ago.

People used to be able to say whatever they wanted online, and now doing so is dangerous. You may think that is a good thing, but it is still unequivocally true that voicing unpopular opinions online is more dangerous than it used to be.

Making some snide remark about history is completely missing the point.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by ramblerman »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

"The ideology of individualism is dependent on a denial of the past as relevant to the present… Individualism denies the significance of race." -- Robin DeAngelo

Robin DeAngelo, is a frontrunner of 'white guilt', CRT, and other strange sides of the woke movement.

This quote pretty much sums it up, they want to put group identity first, above individualism.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by throw_m239339 »

l33t2328 wrote: post #4

Latinx(+) is a term I’ve never heard a latino person use in real life. It seems like needless kid gloves and bastardization of language.

Because the people who come up with these silly monickers are all about subverting language and changing the definitions of words. It's their modus operandi. He who controls language, controls thoughts.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by vmception »

_fat_santa wrote: post #175
vmception wrote: post #154

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I have found it extremely strange, mostly of "anti-right" crowds, to never see an educational moment in anything. Its just "if you weren't exposed to our views by this point in your life and don't accept them uncritically then you are ostracized" is that useful?

That's because if you actually start digging at some of these moments, you will quickly find that their arguments fall apart. The only way to prevent this is with the assumption "oh well if you don't already understand then you never will"

Emphasis on some

which is indistinguishable from people open to other perspectives that simply haven't been articulated well, or could be discussed amicably, or perspectives that really shouldnt be accepted uncritically yet

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by throwaway894345 »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #102
rocqua wrote: post #77

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A problem I have heard female friends speculate about is with promoting women in higher positions. If the female population is too low, and you try to get them into higher positions, two effects occur according to this theory. First of all, with a low female population there probably aren't enough proven and qualified women to fill the desired number of slots. This leads to imposter syndrome / worry about people thin…

You assume that all applicants are of equal attainment, ability, and motivation. However, women have to fight an in-built discrimination. While men are more forced into work because our gender role expects it of us. Thus, women who are candidates for promotion are likely to be more motivated and more ambitious than their male counterparts - they've had to fight harder against more obstacles to get to that point. I se…

> However, women have to fight an in-built discrimination. While men are more forced into work because our gender role expects it of us.

I’m very skeptical about this. Firstly, the popular studies that purport to show bias against females are variously flawed (including using old data from other fields) but also because women have done very well in other fields at other times which were much more hostile to them (medicine and law, for example) than tech. Similarly, women do well in tech in countries that have much more gender inequality than we have in the West (indeed, there’s an inverse correlation between a country’s gender equality and its female representation in technology). All of this suggests that discrimination isn’t responsible for as much of the gender gap in tech as we suspect.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by colinmhayes »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #202
colinmhayes wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was fired because many employees refused to work with him. How can you employ someone who can't communicate with his coworkers?

> He was fired because many employees refused to work with him. How can you employ someone who can't communicate with his coworkers? No, Google is huge, they could have put that guy in another team or whatever. He was fired because someone leaked his memo and the press managed to make it bad PR for google. He was fired for PR reasons nothing more, in an era that was all about "girls in tech" in a patronizing fashion.

Teams have to work with each other. If he needs help from someone who is disgusted by his manifesto google has a problem.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by blacktriangle »

dekhn wrote: post #172
blacktriangle wrote: post #114

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Yes, I'd say that summarizes my statement well, where Marx's definition of progress is moving a society towards communism. This is why any time you see somebody talk about "the right side of history" that's a flag that said person is a Marxist, they view their desired communist end-state as inevitable.

The right side of history was the US immediately after WWII.

I think everybody in Eastern Europe who got to live behind the Iron Curtain would disagree with that. Not dealing with the USSR immediately has to be one of the greatest screwups in US history.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by ttt0 »

ectopod wrote: post #180
marcus_holmes wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that all applicants are of equal attainment, ability, and motivation. However, women have to fight an in-built discrimination. While men are more forced into work because our gender role expects it of us. Thus, women who are candidates for promotion are likely to be more motivated and more ambitious than their male counterparts - they've had to fight harder against more obstacles to get to that point. I se…

In the UK there is an often-repeated statistic: the 20% of girls who take A-level physics outperform the 40% of boys who take it. And of course they do! It's like saying a team comprised of footballers from the top division will beat a team comprised of footballers from the top two divisions. The few women who go into tech or board rooms or whatever will typically be the women who are good at it, and they will typica…

You say you don't need discrimination to explain it, but your explanation assumes discrimination ie. you have to be really damn good in order to even have a chance as a woman. There is another explanation, the distribution of IQ between men and women:

> Another factor affecting perception may be distribution of IQ ... Although [men and women] are on average the same, the people at the very top and the very bottom of the IQ bell curve are more likely to be men. That is a pattern that we see in the university setting, with men either being at the very top of the class or at the bottom.

https://www.newsweek.com/men-women-and-iq-87117

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